Threads about accidental killings of civilians by US get page after page of codemnations. Doesn't matter if it's 3 people that were at an illegal gun market while shots were fired or what. It is universally hailed as evil without any if's and's or but's. But here scores of innocent Muslims are murdered and hundreds injured in calculated terror attacks and we get such gems as this:
The timing is so suspicious
Outrages like these will probably boost Bush's popularity and his war-mongering campaign
Turkey by not sending troops should be in the good books of all those who want the US out of Iraq... why should acts of terrorism be conducted at it's soil now??
Everybody knows that the US has used dirty tactics before
The recent bombings in turkey are carried out by the CIA
It could be because those who claimed to have been treating the disease, have infact aggravated it.
Can an unbiased reader really be shocked or offended at myvoice's manifesto or the frustrations of others who wish codemnations were equally applied?
I read it all and saw the condemnations. How can anyone not condemn these murders? Surely I don't have to re-post them. But condemnations are intermixed with the "if's, and's, but's" and conspiracy theories. Can't we universally condemn these actions without once again trying to lay the blame at the US' feet? Maybe there is some blame here besides the US?
The world keeps getting smaller and we all get to share one more thing in common. No matter who you are, what you believe in, what god you worship, the color of your skin, the nation of your birth, etc., you too are a potential victim.
Nadia,
I know you condemn the attacks and I assume most (if not all) do. I was referring to all the comments I listed above. But because you are one of (if not the most) fair and thoughtful posters on this board, it is most disappointing when your (posted) reaction to this event was to place blame on the US. I know that you do not excuse these people or in any way condone their actions, so it would be nice to hear condemnations geared toward them without bringing in the US for a change. Or at least not in 1/2 of the posted replies. There are already soooo many threads to blame the US for the world's ills.
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May be the blame is on "collateral damage" argument.
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Is that all you can come up with? Not willing to share the blame with any other group, philosophy or movement?
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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
Is that all you can come up with? Not willing to share the blame with any other group, philosophy or movement?
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You got it all wrong, but oh well... never mind :)
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Threads about accidental killings of civilians by US get page after page of codemnations. Doesn't matter if it's 3 people that were at an illegal gun market while shots were fired or what. It is universally hailed as evil without *any if's and's or but's. But here scores of innocent Muslims are murdered and hundreds injured in calculated terror attacks and we get such gems as this:
The timing is so suspicious
Outrages like these will probably boost Bush's popularity and his war-mongering campaign
Turkey by not sending troops should be in the good books of all those who want the US out of Iraq... why should acts of terrorism be conducted at it's soil now??
Everybody knows that the US has used dirty tactics before
The recent bombings in turkey are carried out by the CIA
It could be because those who claimed to have been treating the disease, have infact aggravated it.
Can an unbiased reader really be shocked or offended at myvoice's manifesto or the frustrations of others who wish codemnations were equally applied?
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Well put Seminole, well put. You have nailed down the hypocrisy of some here. I am used to seeing this sort of if...and..but arguments whenever terrorists of the Wahabist persuasion are involved in any such act.
i think USA is behind all this. with turkey not willing to send its troops to iraq, USA had no other choice but to drag turkey in with these well-planned bombings. now with so many dead and injured, public will put pressure on government to send troops to iraq, not to help USA but to secure borders to prevent further attacks. this in turn will help USA aswell. next in line Japan.
Stupid acts of desperation such as this one only strengthens Bush and his Zionist allies in their evil campaign against the Muslims. This global conflict launched against the Muslims cannot be won through raw anger and emotions, but only through wise stratagems.
^ What revisionist history theory to you subscribe to? This evil campaign was launched by extremists against the US, not the other way around. Whether or not the US is taking the right approach to defeat these extremists is debatable, but who started it is not.
^The 'Cause' has changed to one-upmanship. The terrorists want to prove they are beyond detection or control. Their cold-bloodedness is not the fault of Bush or Blair, but these 2 gentlemen should understand that by the time they have flushed their query out half the world will be blown up.
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I know it seems cynical, but outrages like these will probably boost Bush's popularity and his war-mongering campaign. Which will in turn boost Al Qaeda and the circle of violence will continue. You have to feel sorry for places like Turkey which get caught up in the middle.
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That's precisely the point. While the foot soldiers in organized terrorism do it for their own warped sense of justice (God, community, whatever) the strategists see a bigger picture. These attacks, from Morocco to Bali, and everywhere in between, have given governments that would otherwise turn a blind eye to terrorism an investment. The attacks have forced govts to deal with the threat. When the threat is perceived as being so great the response is usually greater. That means a crackdown in all areas of society. Harsher laws being imposed, interference in daily life. They want these governments to become oppressive.
That's not so aQ can get a few more foot soldiers. The big plan is to create universal unrest against the governments. aQ hits and runs. That way the persistence of the government response seems pointless and more a measure of a corrupt/evil govt than a logical response. If people can come to hate their govt but forget the reason, aQ, then aQ can, in their minds, regroup under a different guise and become the people's saviors. It's the burning of the Reichstag on a grand scale. Sounds insane, and is.. but that's what these people are aiming for.
Throw whatever insults everyone wants to at me, but i think this is an eloquently-written and accurate piece:
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Yet by meeting violence with an even greater violence of their own, the US and its allies have sometimes appeared to descend, in Afghanistan and now in Iraq, to that same brutish level. In all truth there is simply no comparison between the war-time actions of, say, the British army round Basra and Turkish suicide bombers. But it is also true, sadly, that for many in the Muslim world, the resort to organised violence by the west effectively legitimises a reciprocal violence by whatever means possible. The use of force in Iraq, now enshrined as a governing principle by Mr Bush, invited a highly aggressive response. That response is in progress. The whirlwind is being reaped.
…] Yesterday was Britain’s day to mourn, to grieve for our diplomats, our citizens and those many others so cruelly victimised in Istanbul - and grieve we do. But tomorrow, or next week, or next month, if this goes on unchecked, it will be somebody else’s awful turn. A candid admission of western failings does not imply submission to barbarity. There is no case for surrender. But there is a very strong case for a more intelligent, less confrontational, combined east-west approach to an intensifying global crisis.
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It doesn't matter. "God is with us". People see things as only they can.. from their own perspective and experience. Maybe globalism could change that through exposure, but I'm not counting on it happening in my lifetime.
