Re: "How to throw a teammate under the bus" by Mohammad Yousuf
two points:
people say that a captain like Ponting wouldn't call out his players in public. didn't he publicly humiliate Lee in India? and Lee is a magnificent player, a champion. I love watching that guy bowl. amazing player.... he's done far more for the Aussie team than Butt ever will for the Pak team and yet Ponting didn't spare him.
there is a difference between being a lazy/selfish/slow runner and being a bad judge of a run. Butt is the former and Yousuf is the latter.
anyone who's seen Yousuf over the years will tell you that Yousuf is a horrible judge of a run but he isn't a slow/lazy runner (or at least wasn't when he was younger). when he got his calling right and batted with people who understood his running (Younis and Malik being two good examples), then, he would run the opposition ragged. he put on some really good partnerships with Malik in the past a big part of which was stealing runs and converting 1.5 runs into 2 runs and 2.5s into 3s.
Butt, on the other hand, is a slow/lazy/selfish/bad runner. he is plain slow. had horrible fitness levels for the longest time... and probably still does. add on bad judgment and you've got the worst runner in cricket world today.
Re: "How to throw a teammate under the bus" by Mohammad Yousuf
I can understand why he blasted Butt in public. He was frustrated by how the team has performed in the series. They have failed in every department of the game. Nothing could have been any worse. Every one is playing for themselves and they have failed in even that.
Yousuf knows the reaction of public when they return home. Not saying I agree with they way he handled the situation but...
Re: "How to throw a teammate under the bus" by Mohammad Yousuf
samb, by your argument, if Yousuf knew Butt was a lazy selfish runner, then he should've understood his running and acted accordingly, just like Younis and Malik understood Yousuf's running and adapted their running as you say.
The question is if he's so frustrated by his team, then why single Butt out for this blasting in public? Why not call out Imran Farhat, Iqbal, Malik, Kamran, Misbah, etc as well? By all accounts, these players are as big a culprit as anyone else in the defeats, yet Yousuf has publicly and forcefully defended them and tried his best to keep them in the team or recall them back to the team if they're out.
The second question is, whey do it while the game is still on, and Butt is still playing? Does he have no clue what such a public dressing down by the skipper would do to the player? Did Yousuf intentionally want Butt to fail?
Re: "How to throw a teammate under the bus" by Mohammad Yousuf
Yousuf does not have a leg to stand here. Its like washing your dirty laundry in public.
Maybe he should have criticized Kamran like he criticized Butt? Because after all, Kamran has longer history of dropping catches than Butt's running. :) double standards eh?
there is a difference between being a lazy/selfish/slow runner and being a bad judge of a run. Butt is the former and Yousuf is the latter.
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I don't know how a lazy and slow runner can be branded a selfish runner. But anyways, can you explain the difference between the two running qualities which you mentioned in your post?
To me they are two of the many undesirable characterstics in Pakistan team and all of them results in ineffeciancy and ineffective. So how to decide which one should be publicly discussed and which one shouldn't be?
How would Yousuf feel if some official from PCB would blast him for his spineless capataincy while a game is being played?
I am sorry but there is no justication for Yousuf's stupid statement. He is proving to be an equally pathetic captain off the field just like he is on the field.
lazy/slow runner doesn't equal selfish player. but imo Butt is a selfish player. which is why I mentioned the two things together.
as far as the difference between being a plain slow runner and being a bad caller/judge of a run is concerned, read my post again. I explained what I think the difference is.
samb, by your argument, if Yousuf knew Butt was a lazy selfish runner, then he should've understood his running and acted accordingly, just like Younis and Malik understood Yousuf's running and adapted their running as you say.
good point. maybe next time anyone bats with Butt, they should simply stop taking any kind of runs? it's just too risky with Butt.
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The question is if he's so frustrated by his team, then why single Butt out for this blasting in public? Why not call out Imran Farhat, Iqbal, Malik, Kamran, Misbah, etc as well? By all accounts, these players are as big a culprit as anyone else in the defeats, yet Yousuf has publicly and forcefully defended them and tried his best to keep them in the team or recall them back to the team if they're out.
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why did Ponting only go after Lee? why not everyone else in the team?
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The second question is, whey do it while the game is still on, and Butt is still playing? Does he have no clue what such a public dressing down by the skipper would do to the player? Did Yousuf intentionally want Butt to fail?
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yes, it is obviously in Yousuf's interest to want Butt to fail. because when the team loses, he as captain will be garlanded upon landing... right?
jesus, where do Pak fans dream up these conspiracy theories. everything is a conspiracy theory.... Yousuf secretly wants Butt to get out... and yeah, I'm married to Shehnaz Sheikh, Faryal Goher, Amna Bano AND Iman Ali...
good point. maybe next time anyone bats with Butt, they should simply stop taking any kind of runs? it's just too risky with Butt.
Yes, the way Younis and Malik stop taking runs when batting with Yousuf, or the way every other batsman stopped taking runs whenever batting with Inzimam. Makes absolute sense.
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why did Ponting only go after Lee? why not everyone else in the team?
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If you are talking about their spat in India, then it was Lee who initiated it by getting agitated at not being bowled enough (despite his ineffective bowling figures in India). And it was on on-field agitated discussion, not a press-conference, public dressing down by the captain.
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yes, it is obviously in Yousuf's interest to want Butt to fail. because when the team loses, he as captain will be garlanded upon landing... right?
jesus, where do Pak fans dream up these conspiracy theories. everything is a conspiracy theory.... Yousuf secretly wants Butt to get out... and yeah, I'm married to Shehnaz Sheikh, Faryal Goher, Amna Bano AND Iman Ali...
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Whoever said anything about conspiracy theories? The discussion is about how a leader should conduct himself. And who is Amna Bano?
meray bhai, it's a simple concept. try to follow along... maybe I'll draw some pictures next time...
Yousuf is or at least was a quick runner between the wickets. he wasn't always the best caller and hence, got into tangles a lot. anyone who's seen Yousuf bat with a Malik or a Younis or Moin Khan would tell you that Yousuf and the aforementioned players ran well together. and whenever they forged a partnership, quick running and stealing runs would be a key feature. that's all I'm saying which means that Butt's problems and Yousuf's problems are very different. but if you want to make a baat ka batangar, then please don't let me spoil your party.
regarding the second point, it totally depends on your opinion. I don't have a problem with the captain calling out a player in public. it's criminal to be involved in two run outs when your team is desperately trying to stay afloat. these guys are professionals and when they play like amateurs and repeat the same mistakes over and over again, then maybe they need/deserve a kick from the captain in public.
these guys are professionals and when they play like amateurs and repeat the same mistakes over and over again, then maybe they need/deserve a kick from the captain in public.
Pakistani players often repeat mistakes again and again and again. Does that mean that everytime they repeat mistakes they should be kicked in public? You think it would look nice that after every ODI, T20 game or after every day of the test match someone comes out in media and blast some player?
Imagine someone from Pakistani bowling after every day of the test match gives a statement in public about Yousuf stupid captaincy, because Yousuf is committing mistakes after mistakes in test matches and according to you any professional which should include Yousuf must not repeat mistakes or else should be kicked in public.
Kaneria and Afridi who have suffered the most at the hands or should I say gloves of Kamram Akmal. Would it looked nice had they comeout after every game (because Akmal was dropping catches in every game bascially repeating mistakes again and again) and blast AKmal in the media?
The bottom line is Pakistan team needs to learn a lot of stuff most of which is considered the basics of cricket. It includes Yousuf's poor judgement while running, Butt's lazy running etc. They should focus on these problems rather going into media and make Pakistan cricket a laughing stock.
it's best if we agree to disagree. you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you. imo, Butt deserved what he got and worse. and for the record, I do think that if idiots like Farhat and Afridi had been publicly blasted for throwing away their wicket a million times, maybe they would have become a little more responsible by now...
either way, again what Yousuf did was wrong in your opinion. and in my opinion, it was completely right.
there we go. end of story. and everyone lived happily ever after.
Re: "How to throw a teammate under the bus" by Mohammad Yousuf
Key difference .... Inzi (and may other) would have not blasted them self at any cost but Yousuf call himself "pathetic" in press conference after last test match and took all blame on himself clear and loud (although there were other key factors including kamran akmal's 5 drop chances) ... I guess he says what he feels like although I totally agree that he should not wash dirty laundry in public but I'll give him grace marks on this issue.
oh and did you see the result of that stare? 100 by Butt :)
Well if that did result in 100 then why did he score only 8 in second inning when I’m sure he’d have received more chitrol in dressing room as well as some lectures overnight
