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I think it is to attract them back home so in order to give them security and the good lifestyle they had overseas. Although this isn’t always necessary some, if given necessary security, they would want to come back even if not given the attractive salary. Like the eye surgeon who returned from UK to contribute to Pakistan. Aise logon ko security ki zarurat hoti hai in case they are targeted. His name was Prof Dr Syed Ali Haider and was targeted because he was Shia. Eye surgeon, son shot dead in Lahore He was on this great health show called Sehat. There’s so many overseas Pakistani professionals who would love to come back if given security. I know because I’ve worked with some of them. Who wouldn’t want to go back, in some form, to contribute to their mother country? I would once I am kabil enough. Or the great British Pakistani plastic surgeon, featured in Oscar award winning film, who is helping women affected by acid attacks rebuild their lives. Their potential should be harnessed
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my humble suggestions- after security, creating an inclusive environment for all and protection for all I would suggest focus for not only Pakistan but whole subcontinent should be on education/literacy for everyone so they can reach their potential, investing into health and hospitals and on trade. every person should have potential to have access to sufficient food, clothing, home and education. Also, once there is security many tourists, of different backgrounds, would love to come to see many of the beautiful sites in Pakistan. So it would be good to restore and preserve them. For example the North of Pakistan with the Swat valley, mountainous peaks is breathtaking and many adventure seekers used to go there and still do. It looks so peaceful and breathtaking. It could be Switzerland of South Asia and would be amazing for people internationally to see. There are the many beautiful mosques, Mughal forts and architecture which would be a definite attraction to all but especially in the Muslim world. Badshahi mosque is 4th largest in the world. There is also ancient hindu and Buddhist temples and architecture which are important in those religions which could draw millions of tourists a year like the Katas raj temple can be an important pilgrimage site for hindus like the gurudwaras in Lahore are. The Mohenjodaro and Harappa civilisations, near the Indus river, are a marvel for historians and archeological buffs world wide. . It was an architectural marvel- had a complex water & sewerage system, intricate tiling and were well planned. Would be great if Pakistan/India had such documentaries of their past but unfortunately the West is the one who carries their story forward. Then there is Taxila, the site of the first university, which many do not know about. Pakistan is also the site of many Buddhist monuments which could also be a tourist site Like Egyptians have maintained and promoted their ancient past so too can Pakistan.
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^ just as a general priniciple - no special security or arrangements need be given for foreign educated folks. That would be a slap in the face of locally educated folks. Compensation should be commensurate with qualification, IMO.
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true security should be all. Not just for those from overseas but initially since they will be uprooting their livelihood if they come back they should be given some incentives. But I agree compensation should be proportional to education levels. Hope you enjoy the videos above The one of Mohenjodaro is fascinating. They talk about how the cities were built and how technologically advanced they were in construction of the city. Interestingly they also mention how dams were constructed to stop floods. They used to change the course of rivers to fit huge reservoirs (up to 79 m long) and they used the natural incline of the terrain to allow water to flow from one terrain to another. The water was retained through aqueducts and this stored precious water was used to irrigate fertile fields all year long. The citadel at the top of the city was uniquely used to collect rainwater compared to river water. At the top of the citadel they had 2 wells and a tank. The wells based on thr ground had special grooves allowing women to draw water and this was thought to be clear and cleaner water. Something to be proud of that so long ago while most of the world lived a nomadic lifestyle hunting and gathering the Indus civilisation was so advanced in terms of infrastructure, irrigation, industry-cotton, pottery, making ornaments, copper and bronze were used to make tools. Number of arts-ceramics, woodwork, ivory and gold stones used to make jewellery-flourished. Almost like an Industrial era. They even had seals to put on their work as a type of copyright. Also, something we could all learn considering all the badly managed floods in the subcontinent. It was said that the Sumerians, Hebrews, Babylonians and even Egyptians were influenced by the Indus civilisation. There was long distance trade between other civilisations and the use of contracts to seal deals started here. The yt video is def worth a watch Few others which I liked. The story of Katas Raj temple you might like this Southie. There is also this place in Pakistani Kashmir where scholars from all over the world used to come to learn Sanskrit language, literature and astronomy. I think it is called sharda peeth temple. People from all over India and in Asia, such as china, used to go there for higher studies. Now it is very close to the LOC so tourist potential is minimal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiGRwb0HSSQ
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I think the past history which identified present day Pakistan’s impact on the world should be highlighted. People learn about ancient Greece, Egypt, Arabic world etc in world history but few know of the impact of the subcontinent. Unless there is awareness of it ourselves it is hard to tell internationally. So a bit on Taxishila one of the first centres of higher learning in the ancient world. These 2 videos are a must watch. located 50km from rawalpindi The Greeks described it as one of the greatest cities in this part of the world and it was said Buddha spent 40 of his years here. It was home to one of the oldest centres of learning in law, medicine and engineering. in 700BC. It was an important Vedic/Hindu and Buddhist center of learning. Greater than 10,500 students from all over the world came from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Arabia and China and were offered over sixty different courses in various fields such as science, mathematics, medicine, politics, warfare , astrology, astronomy, music, religion, and philosophy. A student entered at the age of 16 and if he/she was unable to pay the fees then they could work for the teacher. Takshila was known mainly for it’s study of medicine. Famous personalities of the subcontinent studies here including Paninii, a famous Sankskirt Grammatarian, Chanakya and Charaka, famous physicians of ancient times and Chandragupta Maurya, a famous ruler studied here. Charaka was known for his work on ayurvedic medicine. He described a number of medicinal sciences including physiology and embryology and was one of the first to prescribe drugs to treat conditions. **It was through him that medical knowledge went from present day Pakistan to the Arabic world. **Medical works of Charaka as well as Sushruta (ancient surgeon from present day India) **were carried through from present day Pakistan to the Arabic world. Charaka’s work was translated into Arabic language during Abbasid Caliphate (750AD). These works then made their way to Europe through intermediaries. ** It is a UNESCO heritage site today and a museum is present on the site but few know about this rick history.
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In my opinion, all changes should be done from the grass rout level and upwards. This change is permanent and carries more weight.
So if we need to change our nation then WE need to change. We need to see what are we doing for our country, how much are we doing for our country. Bring that change in to our life and then our families to our neighbourhoods to our cities to our states and so on.. just a thought.
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Peace Southie,
Pakistan since the 70s has been the victim of a huge amount of brain drain. Many capable individuals who could leave via scholarships/visas etc took that ticket and live comfortable lives, much different from what they would in pakistan. This is the case even today. Creating attractive positions for them would maybe lure a few patriotic back. There are no international standard universities in pakistan as of yet. That will hopefully change in the next 100 years but in order for that to happen you have to bring those with degrees from such institutions and having international qualifications back to teach and work in pakistan. I agree the compensation should be dependent on qualifications, but the vast majority of the time, the person with a degree from a big university/international experience will be more qualified than the individual coming from pakistan. It is unfair, but it is true.
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But how can we make Pakistan better because pakistan is falling apart
like some fb pages like “Free Balochistan” some balochs want independence they make fun of Jinah 0_o:smack:
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for your information, the hype regarding polarization in society is created by media. A real survey can tell you the fact that not more than one percent people of an urban area are familar with the term “liberal”. if you draw this conclusion by looking at few overseas pakistanis then you are mistaken. i do not claim that 100% people of urban area are practically religous but those who are not that much religious have tender approach toward religiosity.
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People who are liberal are not necessarily anti religious. They just believe in equality for all, in anti- discrimination, and in the rights of everyone to practise (or nit practise) their faith.
In other words, more liberal and progressive a society, the more successful it will be. Because the entire citizenry has equal rights. Quite a simple concept, actually. Applies everywhere.
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Not clear to me either. If the foreign educated folk are really smart they’ll think of ways to start ( or improve ) businesses on their own. I don’t think anyone who needs these kind of quotas has any potential to help Pakistan. Quotas never work, I’ve always despised them and I’ll continue to hate them no matter who benefits from them.
True that. This would destroy the morale of locally educated youths and drive further brain drain. People will start leaving Pakistan in even greater numbers to get the coveted Foreign Education and we all know how many of them come back.
And how are they going to fix Pakistan again. Pakistan needs more businesses, more economic activity and no college professor is going to do that for Pakistan. We need people who can see the potential for business in Pakistan. Doesn’t matter if they’re foreign or local born, all that matters is that they improve Pakistan, while making a buck for themselves.
College professors from abroad wouldn’t stick here anyway, because they’d get tired of the puny research grants people over here work with.
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Agree with the mangoes point Psyah. Haven’t had anything anything close to a proper mango since I got here. This place has fruits from South America, why can’t Pakistani mangoes get here. They’d have no competition over here.
The oranges over here (in the land of orange juice) are a joke compared to Kinos in Pakistan. That fruit has personality, unlike what passes for Citrus here. I really miss Kinos ( probably weird, cause most people prefer mangoes over kinos).
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I guess that may work for Muslims. But what about the non-muslim population? Religion and government don’t mix. Keep religion private. Let govt be for ALL the citizens, regardless of faith.
This statement applies to India by replacing Muslims with Hindus.
Applies to the West by replacing Muslims with Christain.
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^ Yes it works for Muslims, if you study Islam and know something about Islamic Civilization and try not look at Islam through the glasses of Talibanization.
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^ Actually that is quite offensive. I respect all faiths. For me, separation of Religion and Govt is quite logical. Whether that religion is Islam, Hinduism, or Christianity or any other. I have never ever equated Islam with Talibanization. Or Hinduism with RSS. Or Christianity with the KKK.
Your first sentences essentially reinforces my point. That there are non Muslims who may not choose to follow the tenets of Islam. Hence the separation of religion from govt is not only desirable, but imperative.
