How Pak Generals killed SSG Commander

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So who were the generals involved with the dealings with Taliban at the time? I guess General Orakzai, the ex-governer of NWFP would be one of them. Were Musharaf and Kayani and Shuja involved there?

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The COAS at that time, i.e. Musharraf. I hope the man pays for all his crimes against the people of Pakistan.

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^ Kiani was in charge when the blackmailer was boffed off, no ire against him?

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^ I am referring to the dealings of the Govt with the Taliban, this murder is a small incident compared to that. The dealings were part of a govt/army based order and approach, and Musharraf was the architect of those deals.

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I am just wondering HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT GEN. ALVI and how much you know about the background of his firing etc?

Of course I don't know anything about him nor do I have any background on events due to which he was fired. I am sure you are in the same boat but you just saw this as a chance to bash musharraf and wanted to cling to the oppertunity. didnt ya?

Chances are that you did not even know the name of Gen Alvi before reading this article.

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An your point is? The man has been killed & I cannot believe that there are people on this thread who are trying to find justification for it. Do we have army or a mafia & more importantly is this the kind of behaviors we should expect from our officers?

Pakistani generals are 110% responsible for the mess that out country is in today & if God for bid Pakistan ever falls apart you know who to blame.

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The point is that he read a story and start not only believing it additionally gave his verdict about many people. I was just asking did he even know what happened? You can not come to conclusion by just reading one article these day.

Can you please point in my post where was I trying to "Justify the murder"? I even said that I don't know whats happened and was just asking the poster if he knows whats the story before he passed the verdict on?

btw, Gen and Politicians, you and me all are equally responsible for whats happening right now. Only difference is that k we dont have authority to spread mess on top level so we just become happy by spitting on the road and think that we have not done anything wrong. Jis ka bus jahaan tak chalta hai wahaan per uss nai mess keya howa hai

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Below is an interesting article pertaining to the time (2005) when Gen Alavi was forcefully retired. At that time Lt Gen safdar Hussain was core commander Peshawar, who inked peace agreement with Baitullah Mahsud, and Major Gen Shaukat Sultan was military spokesman…

Mualana Fazlu Rahman was also involved in the deal so he might also have obtained some dollars as later disclosed he was allotted land by the GHQ.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

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I don't want to speak for him, but unless you're new or have no understanding of Pakistan or the military's involvement in every aspect of country's politics, business, corruption & crime this should not be surprise to you.

Pakistan does not have military. It is a mafia, land, banking, corp mafia & they will do everything they can to protect their interests. So, this was not a verdict, but pretty obvious sequence of events that led to death of this man & the generals will never let the truth to come out.

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btw, Gen and Politicians, you and me all are equally responsible for whats happening right now.

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The generals are the biggest choors in the country & they made tons of $$$ from wars in region, they invented the jihadi monster & they made sure that no institution in country functions so they can blame politicians for the mess the generals are responsible for.

As for you and me & the rest, I think you should speak for yourself b/c I have no connection whatsoever to anyone in army or politics & neither are 98% people in the country. Those responsible for this are few on top & rest are just their victims.

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It appears from the article that he was trying to blackmail Army for an honor which he may or may not have deserved. If Army is involved in the death of Alvi, then I am sure Great Zardari, the President of Pakistan will bring the relevant people to justice. If Great Zaradri, the President of Pakistan does nothing, then obviously the story is not true.

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Kaptan bhaijaan please remember my posts from a few months ago when I used to tell you the involvement of Musharraf in supporting the jihadis through the back doors just to keep the matter alive. Illegal disgraced dictator needed the jihadis for his own survival and to give justification to his extended illegal tenure…the extent to which this ex general has damaged Pakistan’s national interest is now being exposed…

Expelled by Mush, late Gen Alavi wanted to expose Taliban friends

Expelled by Mush, late Gen Alavi wanted to expose Taliban friends

Monday, December 15, 2008

By Aamir Ghauri

LONDON: As if the Mumbai attacks last month were not headache enough for the Pakistan Government and its military, a British Sunday paper has claimed that Major-General (R) Faisal Alavi, a former head of Pakistan’s special forces knew he would be killed by his own comrades because he “threatened to expose Pakistani generals who made deals with Taliban militants”.

Writing in a damning report for the Sunday Times, Carey Schofield, a British author said that Faisal Alavi was murdered last month after he threatened to “furnish all relevant proof” about the two Pakistan army generals, in a letter to a senior most general of the army. The letter can be seen on the newspaper’s website but the names of the concerned generals have been blackened to conceal the identity. The author claimed that the deceased general had given her a copy of the letter once he was sure that the military leadership was not going to respond positively to it. “Aware that he was risking his life, he gave a copy to me and asked me to publish it if he was killed,” the author wrote. She said that Alavi told her in their last meeting at an Islamabad restaurant that his letter was a waste and he feared for his life. “It hasn’t worked,” he said. “They’ll shoot me.” He was killed within four days of the meeting when he was driving through Islamabad, the report said.

Ms Schofield, whose book on the Pakistan Army is due next year, said that Alavi - the brother-in-law of VS Naipaul, the British novelist and Nobel laureate - believed his sacking from the army for “conduct unbecoming” was a “mischievous and deceitful plot” and his letter was a final attempt to have his honour restored.

“Alavi believed he had been forced out because he was openly critical of deals that senior generals had done with the Taliban. He disparaged them for their failure to fight the war on terror wholeheartedly and for allowing Taliban forces based in Pakistan to operate with impunity against the British and other Nato troops across the border in Afghanistan,” the report said. “The entire purpose of this plot by these general officers was to hide their own involvement in a matter they knew I was privy to,” he wrote in the letter. He wanted an inquiry, at which “I will furnish all relevant proof/information, which is readily available with me”.

The author said she came to know of Alavi’s death when she was in South Waziristan, to see a unit from the Punjab Regiment. “It was early evening when I returned to divisional headquarters and switched on the television. It took me a moment to absorb the horror of the breaking news (of General Alavi’s death) running across the screen.”

She said the Pakistani media reports blamed militants, “although the gunmen used 9mm pistols, a standard army issue, and the killings were far more clinical than a normal militant attack”. She claimed that friends and family members were taken aback to be told by serving and retired officers alike that “this was not the militants; this was the army”. A great many people believed the general had been murdered to shut him up, she wrote.

The British author wrote that General Alavi — who had dual British and Pakistani nationality — was deeply unhappy about the way some elements of Pakistan Army were behaving in the fight against Taliban. “He told me how one general had done an astonishing deal with Baitullah Mahsud, the 35-year-old Taliban leader, now seen by many analysts as an even greater terrorist threat than Osama bin Laden.”She wrote: “According to Alavi, a senior Pakistani general came to an arrangement with Mahsud whereby - in return for a large sum of money - Mahsud’s 3,000 armed fighters would not attack the army”. The two senior generals named in Alavi’s letter were, according to the deceased general, in effect complicit in giving the militants free rein in return for refraining from attacks on the Pakistan Army, the newspaper report claimed. The report said while Alavi as the SSG head was seeking help from his British SAS counterparts to win the battle against terrorists, “His enemies were weaving a Byzantine plot, using an affair with a divorced Pakistani woman to discredit him.”

“Challenged on the issue, Alavi made a remark considered disrespectful to General Pervez Musharraf, the then president. His enemies played a recording of it to Musharraf and Alavi was instantly sacked. His efforts to clear his name began with a request that he be awarded the Crescent of Excellence [HI (M)], a medal he would have been given had he not been dismissed. Only after this was denied did he write the letter that appears to many to have sealed his fate,” the newspaper wrote.

However, a retired army general told The News that generally when any complaint is received against anyone in the army a process of probe is pursued that usually takes time. He said he knew that the army was probing the issue raised by Gen Alvi.

The retired general said it was part of an international conspiracy to damage the credibility of the army. He said such issues are taken on merit by the army and a set mechanism is followed. He said those casting doubts about the army were playing in the hands of those who wanted to damage the country’s integrity. The report said that if investigations eventually proved that Alavi was murdered at the behest of those he feared within the military, it might “prove a fatal blow to the integrity of the army he loved”.The newspaper report hinted at a possibility of British interest to investigate the killing of General Alavi. “James Arbuthnot, chairman of the defence select committee, and Lord Guthrie, former chief of the defence staff, were among those who expressed support this weekend for British help to be offered in the murder investigation.”

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Shamraz do you remember my posts from a few months ago?...your above mentioned post is more or less the same as my posts from a Musharraf days...the difference is now the dirty linen is getting fully exposed in public...

I hope people who are blinded by Pakistan army's love can finally wake up and realise the mafia like activities of these guy...who have brought Pakistan to this level of physical threat where even a nuclear war on poor people is becoming a real possibility...

Majnoo thi, Laila tha
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Come on, dont be blind, there is all the evidence. Naturally, the only ones who initially believed the 'Taliban' killed him have been shut up completely now that this emerged. I dont see them making an entry in this thread. Its very obvious there are two cases here, first an international one putting Musharraf on trial for playing that little game with the west, while nurturing the so called 'trouble making Taliban'. The second one is to find out which one of his crooked accomplices were involved in this person's murder. The first one is much more grave and should be a good lesson for the west, to do things the right way.

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Can you please point in my post where was I trying to "Justify the murder"? I even said that I don't know whats happened and was just asking the poster if he knows whats the story before he passed the verdict on?

btw, Gen and Politicians, you and me all are equally responsible for whats happening right now. Only difference is that k we dont have authority to spread mess on top level so we just become happy by spitting on the road and think that we have not done anything wrong. Jis ka bus jahaan tak chalta hai wahaan per uss nai mess keya howa hai
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I think you should read up more about Alvi because you thought no one would know about him in the previous posts. The man was a pretty decorated officer up until he was forcibly let go.

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This all seems very seedy

You never read anything good about Pakistan these days

I just lament the current sorry state of Pakistan, the politicians are corrupt to the core barring a few exceptions, the Chief Justice is corrupt, some of the army generals' shady behaviour leaves a lot to be desired (let's not blame the institution as a whole). The only saving grace presently is the media.

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the media has a pretty bad reputation too GA.. the so-called lifafa culture might be used to bash journalists you dont like, but the fact that theres this term for it suggests it atleast exists.

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Seems like Alavi didnt blame Musharraf for those deals, but two generals? The same generals who had to use his affair and a recording against Musharraf to get him fired, if the dealings were directly by the govt/army/musharraf couldnt they have got him fired for criticizing the deal?

seems to me more like inter-general rivalry barely overseen by the half assed leadership of a part-time COAS.

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its been pointed out to me that the general never explicitly threatened to make information public (as the line "He warned that he would “furnish all relevant proof”. " in the article suggests) but only to an inquiry. in that case there is no basis to call it blackmail, as I had said before.

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One cannot but agree with Shamraz Khan that army generals are the most corrupt class ...they can do anything for money...and they consider wars etc. like kid-games...