Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
I dont give a roent's posterior what others may disqualify as not being terrorism. it is terrorism that affected scores of people. Just because the west defines terrorism one way or is scared of a particular type of terrorism does not mean that is the definition one accepts. being anti west is
bombing masjids, drive by shootings, killing professionals e.g. doctors, diplomats.. is terrorism, even if billy bob does not think so because it does not occur in his rural route or the nearest waffle house is not burnt.
read up about sipah e sahaba an lashkar e jhangvi or even sipah e muahammad and you will find they had/have much more in common with al qaeda than u think, they want to enforce their own
ideology by force, and attack those who oppose it.
You can give whatever names you want to these phenomenon and patterns, but the fact remains there are distinctions to be drawn between sunni vs. shia violence and muslim vs. non-muslim violence. The parties involved are different, the theologies are different, the patterns of violence are different.
What is similar is that there is brute force being used, and lack of control by national governments over the situation.
You can be shia or sunni and join a terrorist organization. But your sunni shia status does make a difference if you were to knock on the door of a violent sunni group that is out to destroy shia masjids.
If you want to say both are forms of terrrorism, because you define terrorism as violence used a means to get people to believe what you believe, then fine. But that doesn't mean the two are exactly the same.
I thought what the OP was referring to was the global movement towards extremism in Islam, irregardless of Shia or Sunni origin.
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
You see, that's because the jaahil unpar police in Karachi they bring in from other provinces don't really give a rat's keester for Karachittes and their safety.
Not that I want to start a fight here
but
I have bn to karachi and lahore
here is some information for you.
1-During the time of cheif minister shehbaz sharif police has direct order to "shoot" highyway robbers.(they did shoot so many people)
2- 13 year old kid took his fathers bike took his friend for ride, police asked them to stop. Git got scared and try to run. Both got shot by police.(direct order from shehbaz to shoot if some one don't stop)
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
Not that I want to start a fight here
but
I have bn to karachi and lahore
here is some information for you.
1-During the time of cheif minister shehbaz sharif police has direct order to "shoot" highyway robbers.(they did shoot so many people)
2- 13 year old kid took his fathers bike took his friend for ride, police asked them to stop. Git got scared and try to run. Both got shot by police.(direct order from shehbaz to shoot if some one don't stop)
I don't any other reasons, I am not einstein.
You call that justice? Randomly shooting people because you think, without a full chance for the person to defend themselves in court, that they stole something?
And then shooting at civilians, possibly putting other lives at risk? When you could simply just arrest them?
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
You call that justice? Randomly shooting people because you think, without a full chance for the person to defend themselves in court, that they stole something?
And then shooting at civilians, possibly putting other lives at risk? When you could simply just arrest them?
Um...I'd rather not have such police in Karachi.
As you may have noticed I am not shebaz shaeef either.
I disliked both brother cuz they were little too lahore oriented.
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
You call that justice? Randomly shooting people because you think, without a full chance for the person to defend themselves in court, that they stole something?
And then shooting at civilians, possibly putting other lives at risk? When you could simply just arrest them?
Um...I'd rather not have such police in Karachi.
The thing in Pakistani justice is that the convicted criminals, and we are talking here about the murderers, somehow dodge the justice system. I'll not lose my sleep on some murderer being shot dead by the police.
100s of thousands of Muhajirs want to see the justice served and want to see altaf and his mafia comrades finally brought to justice.
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
Let me be clear here. I ain't no Mohajir. I am a Pakistani-American whose parents grew up in Karachi, and who has spent many of her summers in Karachi with family. Hence what I write is about what I've seen growing up.
The fact is that you can give an order and publish it in public that all murderers or thieves will be shot on the spot. What ends up happening is some poor doodh wala is going by on his bike, has a tiff with a police officer, and gets shot. Oh ji, wo tho chor tha, ji, haan ji. In reality, the doodh wala just didn't want to give the officer a bribe for something or the other.
I don't believe in anything Ganja Sharif did. No one reasonable would buy into what a criminal SAYS, right?
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
Let me be clear here. I ain't no Mohajir. I am a Pakistani-American whose parents grew up in Karachi, and who has spent many of her summers in Karachi with family. Hence what I write is about what I've seen growing up.
The fact is that you can give an order and publish it in public that all murderers or thieves will be shot on the spot. What ends up happening is some poor doodh wala is going by on his bike, has a tiff with a police officer, and gets shot. Oh ji, wo tho chor tha, ji, haan ji. In reality, the doodh wala just didn't want to give the officer a bribe for something or the other.
I don't believe in anything Ganja Sharif did. No one reasonable would buy into what a criminal SAYS, right?
I was answering to your thread. AND THEY close it down????
ARE we being pro janga sharif here????
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
Let me be clear here. I ain't no Mohajir. I am a Pakistani-American whose parents grew up in Karachi, and who has spent many of her summers in Karachi with family. Hence what I write is about what I've seen growing up.
The fact is that you can give an order and publish it in public that all murderers or thieves will be shot on the spot. What ends up happening is some poor doodh wala is going by on his bike, has a tiff with a police officer, and gets shot. Oh ji, wo tho chor tha, ji, haan ji. In reality, the doodh wala just didn't want to give the officer a bribe for something or the other.
I don't believe in anything Ganja Sharif did. No one reasonable would buy into what a criminal SAYS, right?
Talking about chors and murderers in the same breath? Apples and oranges?
Pakistani American, next time when homeland security raids your home and some of your family member is held for infinite years in prison without any charge and if you got him out by your justice system, then come to Pak and start lecturing us.
Or next time when you take part in a protest against dozens, if not 100s, held in Guantanamao, then come and talk about it.
I havent even mentioned, the free speach... Afghan and Iraq war etc. etc.
In the meanwhile, let us sort our internal problems.
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don’t occur in…
Good luck. 50 years+ ho gayan hain, and very little progress. Tsk. :k:
Oh and if you happen to be a law-abiding muslim, you have very little chance of having the FBI knock on your door. Its typically unpatriotic, unappreciative muslims who migrate to America and yet spend their entire life spreading anti-West hatred that have such occurrences happen to them. Serves them right.
And you know what? I wholeheartedly support government action against these people. Yep. I’m Pakistani!
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
^^ Actually, USA only became a country in 1776 and fully took over the whole of USA after 1836.
So technically, the modern USA only begins after the USA-Mexican War. So in that sense, USA is only 150 years old. And besides, by 1900, USA was already a major World Power.
Roughly the same time Pakistan has been independent
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
If you want to say both are forms of terrrorism, because you define terrorism as violence used a means to get people to believe what you believe, then fine. But that doesn't mean the two are exactly the same.
hamas and al qaeda are not exactly the same eithe rbut are both designated as terrorist organizations by US.
sipah e sahaba and laskhkar e jhangvi likewise are designated as terrorist organizations by relevant authorities.
the topic was terrorism in general, and even if it was looking at one type, does not mean that we ignore the other, especially since there are established links between the groups.
Re: How come terrorist attacks in Pakistan don't occur in...
Did I say anything about "innocent" citizens? No, I was speaking about criminals. Traitors and such, you see.
Well, you did mention "innocent" citizens being killed as collateral damage during these police encounters in Pak. And then I asked you what you think of your (semi)own american security agencies doing far worse than that (e.g. innocent people being held/tortured for like ages).
To which you answered, you had nothing against criminals being killed/tortured by the law enforcement agencies.
Hello, under which law are they criminal? Have they ever seen any trial at all, let alone the fair trial???
On the one hand you are accusing Pakistan police for some terrible acts and on the other hand you are defending american police doing far worse than that.