How a Muslim Billionaire Thrives in Hindu India

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This is completely incorrect. Hyderabadi Muslims also speak the same Dakhani Urdu that Bangalorean Muslims speak. As do the Muslims in the towns in Tamilnadu that border Karnataka - Vellore, Ambur, Vaniyambadi, Athur etc. In any western country, the populations of these "towns" would qualify them to be large cities, but in overpopulated India that is not the case.

Education in Karnataka has been a mess with the Gokak Commission's ban on English as a medium of instruction though in recent years there has been much improvement because of the software industry's large investments there. Speaking of education, Karnataka produced the late Ahmed Beevi who later became the Secretary for Education and was such a respected person that when she later moved to Nellore to be with her nephews (she never married) people would take their footwear off when they walked past her house.

Speaking of education, it was also a Muslim who worked hard (despite not being well educated himself) to start the process that later made Kerala such a powerhouse of education - the first Education Minister in that state, C K Mohammed Koya. In Tamilnadu, the Justice Basheer Ahmed Sayeed College for Women in Chennai is considered one of the most prestigious institutions of higher learning there and the Crescent Engineering College in Vandalur is another very prominent institution. And these are a drop in the ocean - there are many more.

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Since I grew up in the west, I didn’t know about these great Indians that have done so much to promote education there and thanks for the info on them. I hope more people like them are produced in India :k:

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Alhamdullillaah brother, it was great to have some great names working for Muslims whom I was unaware of.

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This is completely incorrect. Hyderabadi Muslims also speak the same Dakhani Urdu that Bangalorean Muslims speak.
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As do the Muslims in the towns in Tamilnadu that border Karnataka - Vellore, Ambur, Vaniyambadi, Athur etc. In any western country, the populations of these "towns" would qualify them to be large cities, but in overpopulated India that is not the case*.*
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Salam brother,
To speak the truth most of the hyderabadis are considered as hyderabadis not as south indians, North Indians classify south indians as Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka for them are South Indians.

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Brother my father is in leather business and I know these places very, very, very well and all of them dont speak Urdu have you been to there Mosques if you have been fair enough, but again the larger percentage speak Tamil.
I have my whole family lined up in these places due to leather business.

The other part of the quote is like comparing apple to oranges.

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Education in Karnataka has been a mess with the Gokak Commission's ban on English as a medium of instruction though in recent years there has been much improvement because of the software industry's large investments there. Speaking of education, Karnataka produced the late Ahmed Beevi who later became the Secretary for Education and was such a respected person that when she later moved to Nellore to be with her nephews (she never married) people would take their footwear off when they walked past her house.
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Regarding the education i have no idea about Gokak so i wont comment. Regarding Ahmed beevi i dont know ((i know nellore as place of my ancestors and hae been there) but i know Yahya who was the education minister and did a great job.

Regarding english in Karnataka well you might find the villages to behave this way and not Bangalore even if you are talking of Gokak then it must be long back but to overall ban english is completely ruled out.

But i still wanna know why did you bring up this topic of Gokak please do explain. Thanks in advance.

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Speaking of education, it was also a Muslim who worked hard (despite not being well educated himself) to start the process that later made Kerala such a powerhouse of education - the first Education Minister in that state, C K Mohammed Koya. In Tamilnadu, the Justice Basheer Ahmed Sayeed College for Women in Chennai is considered one of the most prestigious institutions of higher learning there and the Crescent Engineering College in Vandalur is another very prominent institution. And these are a drop in the ocean - there are many more.
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Brother regarding Kerala though its a powerhouse in education you know whats the truth coz the myth of Kerala being literate and a education powerhouse cant considered to be true. We can see so many flocking outside kerala thats sounds logical to me. They might have the best infrastructure per se but no is making avail of it.

Regarding Justice Basheers, Syed Saab of AMU and other universities had dreams, even in Bangalore we have Al Ameen they all are only dreams.
Only constructing building in the name of MInority is no us there has to be a valid result which has failed inevitably.
Let me quote some colleges from
AMU (though north india) - Its a complete failure

Al Ameen college - Bangalore i know whats the state of it though the article says otherwise, its a college for those Muslims which no other colleges have recruited them.

Let me also quote the Islamia engineering college also all started of with great names but we know the state of it.

Before signing of let there be the best engineering colleges but what is the percentage share of Muslims who are graduating out is the main question. Thats were i am banking upon.

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Outsourcing is haram... one must learn to be self reliant. We should'nt make other people work and answer our own tech calls.

Allah knows best

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please provide a list of self-made "openly muslim" billionaires for muslims to follow as role models.

don't hesitate to list pakistanis that qualify.

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Bettter Bill freaking Gates than a man who claims to be Muslim, but doesn't want to do squat to help his community out. Oh, but that would be communal...right?

Like I said, it's his choice...but don't point at a jackass and tell me it's a hoarse.

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SoA,

I can understand your frustration with AMU but that could be said about virtually any university in India. All Indian universities have problems. As far as JBAS College for Women, Crescent Engineering College etc are concerned, they are fine institutions and are very highly regarded in Chennai as well as abroad. You also have the Quaid e Millat College for WOmen which was handed over to the government by the founders and which does a brilliant job of educating poor Indians and the new Mohammed Sathak College which has one of the finest Biotechnology departments of any private college in South India. There is also the New College in Chennai and in Hyderabad you have several more fine institutions - the Nizam College etc. It would be a dreadful mistake to say that there are no educational institutions catering to Muslims or that were founded by Muslim philanthropists and educators in SOuth India. I am not as familiar about the North as I am not from there.

As far as Tamilnadu is concerned you have both the Urdu speaking Muslims as well as the Labbais or Tamil speaking Muslims. There have been intermarriages between the communities over the years - living in the USA, I do not get to visit back there often and, perhaps, the intermarriages have changed the demographics. As far as Urdu speaking Muslims in that region are concerned, you would know the names of the Zakaria family, his parents in law who were at Chennai in George Town etc. They are all Urdu speakers. As were the Dharamsee Parpia group who moved to the UK some years ago.

And Hyderabad is a South Indian city - what else can it be? I have cousins whoa re in business there. We have relatives through marriage in other parts of AP and Karnataka as well as in TN and now some even as far as Delhi. To consider Hyderabadis as different from other South Indians would be a dreadful mistake. Geographically as well as in every other way it is a South Indian city, no less. And the Hyderabadi, Dakhani Urdu which North Indians love to make fun of, is spoken in several other places. Just take a walk through Seven Wells or Triplicane in Chennai or through a mandi in any of the North Arcot towns and you will hear it spoken.

As far as Gokak was concerned, his commission effectively banned English as a medium of instruction in Karnataka State Board schools in the late 70s. Bangalore which had many Anglo Indian, Central Board etc schools was not affected because the Gokak Commission had zero authority over them. But the damage was done to much of Karnataka state overall and that is going to take a long time to undo. Fortunately, the last few governments have been working to slowly introduce English.

Ahmed Beevi's nephews used to own the Stove Beedi Factory in Nellore, which you would know if you are from there. She was a Union Secretary, not a state secretary and she was one of the early pioneers in education, being a PhD in the 1950s, a time when few women of any community went to university in India.

While I agree that there is vast illiteracy in India and I think that your father's attempts at getting people to do at least a graduate degree are a fantastic way of approaching the problems, I am not sure that these are problems of the Muslim community alone in India. There are many horribly poor Indians who get swept under the media carpet because of the wealthy in India, and these are people from all religions. Hopefully, with better education and with the economy progressing beyond agriculture alone, many more will do better. Where I disagree with you is in your pessimism over the future. I think the future is definitely going to be bright.

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^Brother your post is fine other than the Hyderabad,basically we as south indians consider them as South INdians but for the North Indians Hyderabad does not come into the bracket of South Indians.
Thats what i explained to queer, from his pov.

Regarding the pessimism factor, I hope the future is bright, well I was just writing from what I have heard, seen and experienced. I hope i have been proved completely wrong.

This year I will give up____
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SUSPECTED Billionaires in Pakistan...but its safe to assume they are infact Billionaires. :)

Billionaires
Asif Ali Zardari

Nawaz Sharif
Anwar Saifullah
Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain

Manzoor Wattoo

Salman Farooqi

Ahmed Sadiq

Shaukat Kazim
Humayun Akhtar Khan
Ijazul Haq

General Fazl-e Haq (deceased)
Lt gen. (retd.) Zahid Ali Akbar

Gohar Ayub (retd captain)

Captain Naseer

Aftab Sherpao (retd major)

General (retd) Aslam Beg
Brigadier (Retd) Imtiaz

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^how did army generals, captains and majors manage to become billionaires? their salaries aren't that much right?

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When I was growing up in India, a large number of movie theatres were owned by Muslims. A large number of village lands have also been bought by muslims (sometimes clearing entire Hindu conclaves).Muslims are are also very prevalent in betel leaves business, wholesale clothing, trucking etc. These people may not be "literate" in the sense of having completed college but hard working and smart.

Of course like in any other community, for each such hardworking successful person there is a lazy cheat that looks for special treatment and reservation policy

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Their salaries are good, but obviously nowhere near the fortune they have. Army life has its perks, and given the right position you can abuse the access to investment, land and other opportunities.