Hindus urged to curb 'Muslim threat' by having big families

Hindus urged to curb ‘Muslim threat’ by having big families

Maseeh Rahman in New Delhi
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian

A radical Hindu political party in Uttar Pradesh, India’s most populous
state, which is a key ally of the country’s ruling party, is
encouraging Hindus to have more children because of fears of a Muslim
population explosion.

The militant Shiv Sena party announced that it had identified 50 Hindu
couples with five or more children in the parliamentary constituency of
the Indian prime minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

“We will honour these couples at a special function next month by
conferring the title ‘Awakened Hindu Family’,” said the Shiv Sena’s
state chief, Vijay Tiwari. Couples with more than 10 children would be
given gifts of gold or silver.

The call runs counter to the Indian government’s policy of controlling
the country’s burgeoning population by promoting family planning. The
“awakening” that the Shiv Sena wants to bring about stems from the
belief that India’s Muslim population, already estimated to be about
140 million, will overtake the Hindu, even though Hindus account for
85% of India’s population, now more than a billion.

Demographic experts assert that high birth rates are related to
illiteracy and poverty, and have nothing to do with religious beliefs.

Radical Hindu leaders claim the percentage of Muslims has been rising.
Their propaganda finds a response among Hindus who resent the Muslims’
separate civil law permitting men four wives - though most Muslims are
too poor to practise polygamy, and educated Muslims reject the idea.

“Even Hindus who do not support parties like the Shiv Sena or the
ruling Bharatiya Janata party [BJP] believe that most Muslims have four
wives and lots of children,” said Dipankar Gupta, a sociologist. The
issue even figured in the Gujarat state assembly elections last year,
with the BJP’s chief minister, Narendra Modi, mocking Muslim families
for their “25 children each”.

Now the BJP’s political ally, the Shiv Sena, hopes for mileage in the
spectre of the “Muslim population bomb”.

Mr Tiwari said: “When the Muslims become 30% of the population
democracy and peace will disappear from India. To maintain the social
balance, and to save the nation, we are now asking Hindu couples to
have a minimum of four children each.”

Mr Tiwari claimed there had been a positive response from Hindus in
Uttar Pradesh. But analysts are doubtful.

“The Shiv Sena’s appeal has always been its focus on pragmatic issues,
such as jobs for its supporters,” said Mr Gupta. “Such a madcap
campaign could rebound on the party.”

Comment:

Poltical parties are supposed to win over people based upon policies on how to improve the living standards of the nation. But parties like the BJP and their allies resort to anti-Islamic rhetoric to frighten the hindu masses who fear the return of Islamic rule to India. Under Hindu rule we have seen many pogroms and massacres against the muslims and many masjids destroyed all this while the ruling elites turned a blind eye and gave their tacit approval. Under Islamic rule hinduism survived up to today and their places of worship are still intact. This is because non-muslims under an Islamic system have many rights i.e their life, property and honour is protected and their is no conversion by force.

Re: Hindus urged to curb ‘Muslim threat’ by having big families

:rotfl"
**Under Hindu rule we have seen many pogroms and massacres against the muslims **
there were never under the so called hindu rule they were under the so called secular rule. then i think ur history knouledge is poor.

there was a seperate tax for non muslims called jiziya during the mughal rule especially during aurangzebs rule.

one had to only visit somnath to c the atrocities commited by the muslim rulers on indian culture n hindu temples.there is a history of closing a very famous temple in south india “srirangam” during tipu sultans reign when he plundered the entire city of thiruchirapalli n destroyed a portion of the temple. the main idol had to be taken away from the temple to a safer place to protect it

i guess everyone should sell any stocks for condom companies in India then?

And while we’re at it, let’s distribute copies of KS on every street corner! :smack:

^ :)

LOL! What’s next? Will Shiv Sena be campaigning for the right for hindus to have 4 wives so they can keep up with the muslims? :hehe:

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Muslims pay a tax called Zakat and it is supposed to be spent on Muslims. As you were once our citizens, we had to ensure your welfare. Therefore Jizya was taken.

India being a Hindu majority country today speaks volumes about the tolerance Muslims have for other religions. The very poverty Muslims of India live in today (most of them as compared to Hindus) shows how tolerant you are to Muslims. In the Muslim rule there were no massacres of Hindus. You have done so many massacres in just 50 years of rule. Get a life!

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The very poverty Muslims of India live in today (most of them as compared to Hindus) shows how tolerant you are to Muslims.
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Would you care to explain that please. Is someone stopping the muslims becoming rich, or are the hindus supposed to collect zakat for muslims? If the richest Indian in India can be a muslim why not more of the same...but anyway, I'll let you tell me why 'most' of the muslims are poor.

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *
The very poverty Muslims of India live in today (most of them as compared to Hindus) shows how tolerant you are to Muslims.
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I agree with karina. Thats a very controversial claim to make, and unless you have something to back it up, you should retract it.

showkot, a few months back, your Hizb was also saying something similar. You guys said that Musharraf's new birth control reforms are an American plan to supress the population of the Muslims and contain them, from an ongoing threat which might lead to the conquest of western countries by the Muslims. Now that the same idiocy is coming from the Hindu radicals, you find it offensive.

good one spock. a mirror is always good :)

hey..beats coming up with a pickup line any day of the week.

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hey..beats coming up with a pickup line any day of the week.
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I agree! Although I'm sure Bal Thakeray has some great pick up lines lined up for hindus - now that we're supposed to start procreating like fleas. Watch this space.

:hehe: Good one.

This policy is similar to that other racist government of ISrael policies.

They have been worried about the number of muslims that surround them and now also inside occupied palestine itself there numbers are huge.

For the BJP and its offshoots to start campaigning for more hindus is not surprising really.

Just shows they really worry and hate muslims big time!

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*Originally posted by Islamabad: *

The very poverty Muslims of India live in today (most of them as compared to Hindus) shows how tolerant you are to Muslims.
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????????????

Please clarify!

there is nothing to clarify there except his selective amnesia.jus another day i read an article that praised that anything indian today is indeed muslim n muslims r the most ......(bla bla bla).
nou u c posts that muslims r the most disadvantged both economically n ploitically...(bla bla bla).
great fun reading these
nothing else.

some of the hindus in india belive that they have been spanked for a long time by the invaders so now that india is a nuclear power and strong nation we need to do the same to the weaker sections of the indian society .
the fact is that the indian esp the rss type hindu is obsessed with islam and muslims they have copied everything that muslims have been doing . for eg the rss has brought the sadhus or the hindu clergy into politics
they have been issuing mullah type fatwas
they have been speaking out against valentines day
and there are many things thats talibanisation of hinduism now some foolish people are folowing the muslim practise of having large families which infact is not a norm among the educated muslims any longer
foolish people dont realise that its having large familes is something that has led the muslims to fail economically
morons in power

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*Originally posted by kabir: *
some of the hindus in india belive that they have been spanked for a long time by the invaders so now that india is a nuclear power and strong nation we need to do the same to the weaker sections of the indian society .
the fact is that the indian esp the rss type hindu is obsessed with islam and muslims they have copied everything that muslims have been doing . for eg the rss has brought the sadhus or the hindu clergy into politics
they have been issuing mullah type fatwas
they have been speaking out against valentines day
and there are many things thats talibanisation of hinduism now some foolish people are folowing the muslim practise of having large families which infact is not a norm among the educated muslims any longer
foolish people dont realise that its having large familes is something that has led the muslims to fail economically
morons in power
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rubbish.anyway i can assure u that it is not an illusion but truth of history.we had been spanked by others for a long time n its jus getting out. jus as people do in palestain or in afghanistan r in iraq.
its not copying but the language of deception has to b tackled by the same language.

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*Originally posted by kabir: *
some of the hindus in india belive that they have been spanked for a long time by the invaders so now that india is a nuclear power and strong nation we need to do the same to the weaker sections of the indian society .
the fact is that the indian esp the rss type hindu is obsessed with islam and muslims they have copied everything that muslims have been doing . for eg the rss has brought the sadhus or the hindu clergy into politics
they have been issuing mullah type fatwas
they have been speaking out against valentines day
and there are many things thats talibanisation of hinduism now some foolish people are folowing the muslim practise of having large families which infact is not a norm among the educated muslims any longer
foolish people dont realise that its having large familes is something that has led the muslims to fail economically
morons in power
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mughals defeated muslim ruler Ibrahim Lodi, the last head of the Delhi Sultanate. may be you are mughal decedant.