Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Am not a Hindu I am a Muslim. I thought it meant that. But I do see your point, that does seem very fishy.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
No, sorry hate to rain on your parade but you haven’t catogorecally refuted him.
Anyway let me get at my Lahori Brother…
To begin with, Krishna himself was a supposed incarnate of God.
Did Krishna refute himself in the Gita?
Islam= dualistic.
“One” God, that is seperate from creation. A seperate entity.
So when Hindus say “one god” its much different.
This is considered a form of ignorance in Monistic Hinduism, which is what the Gita fundamentally teaches.
Hindu thought = Monism.
ALL is God.
God is all that exists.
There is nothing else.
What we perceive as reality as an illusion. Is what Hindus believe.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Forget about fish or elegator, answer my post specifically .....
Anyway let me get at my Lahori Brother...
To begin with, Krishna himself was a supposed incarnate of God. Did Krishna refute himself in the Gita?
Islam= dualistic. "One" God, that is seperate from creation. A seperate entity. So when Hindus say "one god" its much different.
This is considered a form of ignorance in Monistic Hinduism, which is what the Gita fundamentally teaches.
Hindu thought = Monism. ALL is God. God is all that exists. There is nothing else.
What we perceive as reality as an illusion. Is what Hindus believe.
I don't care if you are a Hindu or a Muslim.........
You participated in the discussion, now participate fully.
I am not asking about what we perceive or what they do. My point till now is that how can Krishna claim Arjun is so lucky to have seen him in the whole world. This is a point raised by your other fellow having a nick starting with "Y". He said in one of his posts that nobody except Arjuna has seen Krishna Even in that battle field according to the introduction given in the translation of Gita from that Hindu website) and I am writting about others who appear to have seen Krishna. I have given many examples of it. You just open you mind and read whats the point being made.....
Don't drag Islam in. We are NOT talking about Islam in any way. I am not presenting to him what I think is right or how I perceive God or so. I am just writting about what appears to be the case from the Hindu scriptures.
Hope you understand it.....
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
howcome no hindu brother replied to my question?
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
It means that you havent understood my refute. He is wrong.
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He said in one of his posts that nobody except Arjuna has seen Krishna Even in that battlefield according to the introduction given in the translation of thre Gita according to the Hindu website)
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Arey bhai, Lord Krishna was born into a peasant's family. He was mischievious at birth, the most loved child of his village, he played tricks on his fellow children and in his youth, he befriended Radha (a fellow villager), he later fought against the Kauravs on the side of the Pandavs, he was the cousin of Arjun............thousands of people saw him, touched him, felt him and talked to him.(this is the second time I'm repeating this; and yeah youl find this in the Mahabharat of which the Bhagavad Gita is a subset).
They also saw his conversation on the battlefield---what they did not see was the ParaBrahma form that he showed Arjun. No one on the battlefield saw it, except Arjun. Click on the second link on post #13 that I provided you, re-read post #10 and then come up with some meaningful argument.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
i've seen in many indian movies and have also heard that when a married woman becomes widow , she has to be burned alive with her husband?
i dont know if hindus still do it but why they used to do this for?
OK, let me try though I am not sure of this question and somehow know the hidden agenda..
Yes, it was done. This was distorted form of Hinduism. It has been proved beyond doubt that it hasn't been supported in any of the religius texts. And its always been wrong interpretation of texts that lead to this inhuman practice and its growth.
As for why people commit Sati....
1. its probably the same reason why medevil Japanese would commit seppuku...... honor
2. It became a social practice and may be had economic benifits to people around.
Today, No, its not accepted by Hindus in general. Its a crime punishable by law. Though there have been cases even in last 50 years. Though most of these were simple murders by family members for economic gains...
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Just like honour killings in Pakistan are not part of Islam, so is Sati not part of Hinduism.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
What is the point of this thread? Stop bashing other people's religion, there are millions of Hindus in the world and millions of Muslims. No one is disproving the others' faith so live and let live.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
there is no need for argument if every one calims their god works for them
leave it that.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Krishna talks to Arjun all the time in the Gita.
I dont see what the problem.
Its a story.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Some prespective here gentlemen. There are clerics asking for the head of a man who converted. Here we are talking about an injunction on making false idols. How about talking the something a bit more dear, having the right to, or to not, worship in the manner you choose?
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idol worship is not at all a compulsion .i can be used for concentrationas saguun bhakti or without..
it was present in ramayan mahabharata times too.. in ramayan RAM worshipped Shivling when his army was to cross sea.. Hanuman broke the idol of Mata at Ahiravan's place..
in mahabharat too..
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^^personally i would stay away from mahabharat and ramayana as far as these things are concerned. if you Strictly adhere to vedas, you won't do idol worship. But then again, you gotta be against blind faith also. just because some scriptures say that they are against something, it should state a valid reason for it.
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though vedas not speak in favour of that but even they not talked against them too.. it was just a representation which later tranformed in blind faith expecting miracles... thu to true bhagats like dhanna god came in saligram.. they should be used as spiritual goodness not more.. pranayam is way to go to god... iit does not require idol worship to reach god spiritually.. that's i feel
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
In one of my posts I have written...Idols provide a context for worship. God is within me..Aham Brahmasmi (I am Brahm..I am God..I am the creator). Those who can find God within themselves need not visit a place of worship.
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
as far as i feel, 'Aham brahmasmi' doesn't mean you are the creator. According to me, it all means is, is to realize completely absolute monism. But yes, in a way, it would certainly mean, You are God which even i completely agree or accept that it is the aim
Re: Hinduism: Evidence against making IDOLS
Please correct me if I am wrong- But probably you are thinking that we regard idols as Gods themselves! Idols are artistic expressions- in which we try to express all the transcendental qualities of the Lord. We practically worship everything, I think. The Vedas go on to say, “Ultimately, everything is Brahman”( this is Monism).
I did not find a prohibition of idol worship in those verses you quoted.
Secondly, and this is a question to all my muslim friends here, why do you think that idol worship is bad?