old lahori most of the poor people cant even
think about next life more worried about where the next meal comes from and how do feed
their children.
rivkz: I was merely providing what I considered to be an accurate answer to an inquiry about buddhism.
As to your statement, I think many studies have shown that the poor and surprisingly the very rich are usually the most fervently religious. Yes the poor worry about feeding their children, but they depend quite a bit upon the emotional stability and security that beleiving in a higher power provides them.
Monotheism and polytheism are opposites. Both have doctrines regarding each other. We know what each have to say about the other . So we should study these. Me being a Muslim, from my faith, know what the scriptures have to say about Polytheism. According to us we should not adopt polytheism even in the slightest form. Because our creator is Majestic, even the slightest deviation of devotion from him to any other creature is absolutely unacceptable. He has pride and rightfully so. You don't divide His divinity with anything else. And if you do, then do so at your own risk because He reckons everything you do. Till as such time as the reckoning comes, we should know how to treat them and be treated by them. So what good does it do you to ask how many gods there are? For that I think you should use the internet. It is a magnificent source of information (Not always though), but a lot more detailed than what you can get here.
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Banda-e-Nake,
Now that you brought about animals in religion, why do you think Islam subscribes to the cruelty of scarifice. Its proved beyond doubt today that animals suffer the sam emotions,pain,complexes and trauma as us. They just cannot think coherently at this stage of the evolution process. Under these circumstances,slitting the throat of an animal is akin to doing the same to a human from god's perspective,if he were benevolent as claimed in the first place. Why this orgy of bloody sacrifice of helpless animals to please this entity you claim to be god.My muslim freind has been to the Haj and he says the mass slaughter on the final day is an orgy he would remember all his life.
I have read the Bhagvad Gita, and the Ramayana and was impressed. The philosophy itself, minus all the middle-men is pretty fascinating, although i dont agree with all of it, I do think certain ideas like the importance of loyalty and honor are commendable. I recommend you read them just for the sake of seeing a differnet view on life, its worth it.
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Originally posted by sundaram:
Banda-e-Nake,
Now that you brought about animals in religion, why do you think Islam subscribes to the cruelty of scarifice. Its proved beyond doubt today that animals suffer the sam emotions,pain,complexes and trauma as us. They just cannot think coherently at this stage of the evolution process. Under these circumstances,slitting the throat of an animal is akin to doing the same to a human from god's perspective,if he were benevolent as claimed in the first place. Why this orgy of bloody sacrifice of helpless animals to please this entity you claim to be god.My muslim freind has been to the Haj and he says the mass slaughter on the final day is an orgy he would remember all his life.
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Im a vegatarian personally, (people in Pakistan couldn't believe this, they thought i turned hindu.)I avoid meat because i have other choices. I dont necesarilly have to get my protein from beef. Although, i dont think that it is completely wrong to eat meat, after all, we are by nature herbivores, and though we might think we are beyond our natural instinct, i dont think we are. As for the "orgy" of Blood in mecca,
I think that if life is eternal, then death is irrelevant. Also, your are looking at this so called orgy by prescribing to Hindu/Buddhist philosophy, therefore, your comments are irrellevent.
adnan,
I appreciate you for your candor in saying the gita and ramayana as being worthy. To sceptics here is a quote from the man I worship as god and whose posters fill most of my living space:
Albert Einstein:
"When I read the Bhagavad-Gita and reflect about how God created this universe everything else seems so superfluous. "
Respect where respect is do, as I always say…
another point i would like to make is this...
Though i am not an authority on this,
In Hinduism, there is belief that all creatures are connected in what they call Brahma. It is this that the saint who are always meditating and stuff are trying to grasp, this concept of Brahma at which point they will be one with everything. This sounds very similar to Sufi Philosophy which says that we are all apart of God as opposed to Brahma. Similarly, the sufis spend their lives becoming one with God, thus becoming one with all living things just like Hindu Saints.
Point is that differences are only skin deep.
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
another point i would like to make is this...
Though i am not an authority on this,
In Hinduism, there is belief that all creatures are connected in what they call Brahma. It is this that the saint who are always meditating and stuff are trying to grasp, this concept of Brahma at which point they will be one with everything. This sounds very similar to Sufi Philosophy which says that we are all apart of God as opposed to Brahma. Similarly, the sufis spend their lives becoming one with God, thus becoming one with all living things just like Hindu Saints.
Point is that differences are only skin deep.
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Adnan, Did Rusool Allah had such saying or action or Quran have supported as was done by sufies?
Did Rusool Allah liked music, (Quvali)ETC?
Did Rusool Allah advocated for Monks or Nuns?
As for as I know Rusool Allah never liked Quvali and told muslims to keep Dunya with Deen.
This sounds very similar to Sufi Philosophy which says that we are all apart of God as opposed to Brahma. Similarly, the sufis spend their lives becoming one with God, thus becoming one with all living things just like Hindu Saints.
Point is that differences are only skin deep.<<
Absolutely. Except that Sufis seem to be rejected by fundamentalist Islam.
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Originally posted by Andhra:
**>> This sounds very similar to Sufi Philosophy which says that we are all apart of God as opposed to Brahma. Similarly, the sufis spend their lives becoming one with God, thus becoming one with all living things just like Hindu Saints.
Point is that differences are only skin deep.<<
Absolutely. Except that Sufis seem to be rejected by fundamentalist Islam.
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Thats true, but then Fundamentalists have a lot of ideas that people dont agree with. Fundamentalists people are a plague on Islam, its sad that these violent sickos are the only representatives of Islam that people actually recognize. There a many pious and saintly muslims out there to whom no one pays any attention. (There is Mr Satar Edhi, that guys truly a saint...)
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Originally posted by Banda-e-Nake:
** Adnan, Did Rusool Allah had such saying or action or Quran have supported as was done by sufies?
Did Rusool Allah liked music, (Quvali)ETC?
Did Rusool Allah advocated for Monks or Nuns?
As for as I know Rusool Allah never liked Quvali and told muslims to keep Dunya with Deen.
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I like qawali, sometimes when you listen to a beutiful qawal, you feel even closer to god. How can something like that be bad?
God gave us voices to use, they are a gift.
Why insult God by not using this gift?
hey guys
check out this website http://users.erols.com/zenithco/prophhs.html
its quite interesting.. and somewhat convincing…!!
lol… can i make a god of chocolates?
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
and maybe a god of pizza.. and a god of shrimp.. yummmm
lol... can i make a god of chocolates? and maybe a god of pizza.. and a god of shrimp.. yummmm
hahahahaha so funny.I can't stop laughing. I am still rolling on the ground.We have another chaplin on the horizon. Our funny bone would now he tickled forever and we can't stop laughing. What elevating comedy.hahaha !!!!!
sundharam
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
im not entirely sure if you were genuinely amazed or maybe this is just another sarcastic remark.
anyways i did make the god of chocolates yesterday. i made him up myself! cool na? i made up my own god, instead of my god making me up
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
.. now he sits on my comp lookin at me. i want to eat him up but too bad.. my god cannot protect himself.. he needs my protection.. hehe what a god !
Your realy funny. But remember, if we can laugh at Hindus, why shouldn’t Hindus be allowed to laugh at us?