Re: "High caste" Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits
Read carefully:-
"Most of the students have refused even to touch the food cooked by Dalit women on the ground of caste untouchability," said officials.
I love the excuses, but it is suprising how the Indian's on GS are so much in denial over the Hindu Caste horrors that plague their country. Next they will be making excuses as to why Dalits are being killed by high caste butchers across India.
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I guess the Indians on GS tend to sound/be defensive as I guess most of us are from urban/larger towns and in these places, the current generation has seen very little if not NO instance of caste discrimination in their own lives. So it appears to us that the entire country is ver much like that. I guess it is not the case (though the good points also must be mentioned like it is the Indian press which does bring these issues to the fore and democracy helps organisations like BSP (Bahujan Samaj Party) to bring up the cause of Dalits etc etc… So Indians have actualy no choice on this matter but to admit such problems. The good thing is that there certainly is improvement though it will take time.
But I dont understand the point being made by Pakistanis by bringing up such issues here - is it that you feel that by showing problems that India suffers from, it puts Pakistan in relatively better light? I am sure its not that you have best of India’s interest at heart and you are bringing it up so that something be done aboutit etc etc. Or is it that you feel that there is too strong an image of India’s apparent successes in certain areas and since there is not enough news about similar success for Pakistan, bringing up these issues gives you that joy that hey India is not perfect anyways. As an Indian, I certainly admit India IS NOT PERFECT!! Has hell a lot of problems and is clueless on some while progressing on a few. Am hopeful things will get better. It gives me no joy if I were to know that Pakistan is worse off or sorrow to know that Pakistan is better off. It just DOESNT matter to me. It has no implications on my life. It appears that your view on life is different though.
Wish you all happiness and may Pakistan and Pakistanis get better at everything.
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It is true that Indians are cast biased and this problem is going to remain for a very longer period and may be forever.
In metropolitan cities Indians did not become progressive by magic, but there is no time to find out the cast of each and every person while traveling together or enjoying food at a Dhaba.
By securing jobs for Dalits and low cast we find a different attitude. Today you cannot make complain against a Dalit/low cast policewalah, or a bank employ. Reason…they immediately make it an upper vs low cast issue.
I think this is not bad.
In Bihar and UP, the two major states…only Dalit or backward are becoming Chief Ministers.
It is a good achievement.
Pakis can be jealous of this because they make it an issue if a Mujahir reaches some high post in Pakistan???
Honor killings….tell me how many people are actually sentenced???
If a Sayeed is marrying a Rajput or Shiekh convert of Indian origin is not important……tell me some figures if Sayeeds have married to Dalits/ low cast converts of Indian origin???
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The vast majority of Indian’s still live in the rural areas, and 300 million low caste Hindu Dalits still living in slave-like persecution is not a small issue. Despite all the tall claims by Indian’s they are still being discrimnated against, tortured and killed across India by upper caste thugs. Just look at all the Indian’s descending on this thread and all so defensive in their replies - there is so much you people want to hide about the real India.
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what they are saying is if india is 100% islamic there will be no caste system
and all social ecomomic problem will disppear pakistan and bangaldesh
will rejoin india and there will be one big happy family and kashmir problem will be solved too.
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http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?sid=5&fodname=20021118&fname=Cover+Story(F)
“Dalits Are Treated Worse Than Animals, Dogs, Snakes, Pigs”
DAVINDER KUMAR
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with all the advantage of casteless system for 1400 years bangaldesh and pakistan
should have been well industrilaised dyanmic society well ahead of india in every respect.
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Unfortunately they are. That is the real face of modern India that most Indian’s don’t really want to talk about.
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pakistanis are less mixed than indian by just looking you dont need any proof
indian are more mixed with local native population than pakistanis.
In this scenario, members of higher rank castes should exhibit a closer genetic relationship to Europeans than lower rank castes, given the taboos prohibiting intercaste marriages. However, previous genetic studies with a limited focus have not produced a consensus on Indian origins. The present study compares maternally inherited DNA variations, paternally inherited variations, and bi-parentally inherited variations between 265 Indian males of different castes and 750 African, European, Asian, and other Indian males. The detailed comparison revealed that genetic similarities between Indians and Europeans tend to increase with caste rank.
Intriguingly, the scientists found different trends when comparing maternally inherited (mitochondrial) variations and paternally inherited (Y chromosome) variations. Maternally inherited DNA in Indian populations was overall more similar to Asians than to Europeans, though similarity to Europeans increased with rank. Paternally inherited DNA, on the other hand, was overall more similar to Europeans than to Asians. These results support the notion that the West Eurasian immigrants mixing with native populations were mostly male, and that they tended to insert themselves into high ranking positions in the developing Hindu Indian caste system
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Funny again as most of the news is coming in from Indian Newspapers and websites and then picked on by others… You are indeed amusing at times…Oh it must be giving you such joy to pick news of things going wrong in India… Only way of consoling yourself I guess…
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What amusing logic. Even in other countries where heinous crimes are committed the national press cover them, but the difference is that none of them have a slave-like Hindu caste system still making the lives of Dalits a misery after thousands of years, like India.
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Wierd point - who is denying that this is an unwanted practice…and its not like similar or worse things dont happen in other places (Honour rapes and killings are definitely great things I guess..).
Oh and the way your heart cries for these poor Dalits…sob sob…
Re: “High caste” Hindu students refuse food prepared by Dalits
Sir zara context mein read karenge… It was in response to your point of how Indians dont want to talk about all these things and would do anything to hide it under the carpet etc. All I was saying is that, it is not quite the case as it is coming out in the open as Indian media is bringing it up - If Indians wanted to curb all this, then Indian media would not have been allowed to publish such news. Now does your highness get the point?
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No, I stand by what I said, and the replies from all the Indian’s proves my point all too well. Look how sensitive you people are in talking about this issue, all the excuses, diversions and denial mentality, bordering on anger that someone should even dare mention this topic. This behaviour is apparent every time this issue is posted on these forums, and instead of addressing this issue only head on Indian’s always revert to the tactics I described above.
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Okay, let me quote Bhagwat Geeta here for my Hindu friends to give them another injection of reality.
According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.
Bhagavad-Gita 4:13
And another one from Ramayana
*Lord Rama (who, like Lord Krsna, is an Avatar of Lord Visnu) would be in complete accord with the above quotes; afterall, he killed an innocent Sudra, Sambuka, only because he was performing austerities which were not prescribed duties for low-castes *
Ramayana 7:88-89
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Hinduism teaches that Sudras are trash & should be named accordingly
"The Namadheya (naming-rite) must be performed as soon as the term of impurity (caused by the birth of the child) is over. (The name to be chosen should be) auspicious in the case of a Brahmana; Indicating power in the case of a Ksatriya; Indicating wealth in the case of a Vaisya; Indicating contempt in the case of a Sudra."
Visnusmrti 27:5-9.
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"If one who (being a member of the Candala or some other outcaste) must not be touched, intentionally defiles by his touch one who (as a member of a twice-born caste) may be touched (by other twice-born persons only), he (or she) shall be put to death. If a woman in her courses (touches such a person), she shall be lashed with a whip."
Visnusmrti 5:104-5.
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Come on Indians/Bhartis/Hindustanis or whatever, just follow your Bapu (Gandhi).
Will you deny his great teachings??
Are you against him or with him?
Can you ever change your mentality so it ignores his weird teachings and sick believes?
(I posted this on other thread as well....)
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** The claim that Gandhi worked for the uplift of Dalits (untouchables) is also a myth.**
Gandhi was a Hindu revivalist, who upheld every aspect of Hinduism including the caste system, which is the essence of Hinduism. His writings, speeches and statements confirm this.
I don’t believe the caste system to be an odious and vicious dogma. It has its limitations and defects, but there is nothing sinful about it.
Harijan, 1933.
I believe in Varnashrama (caste system) which is the law of life. The law of Varna (color and / or caste) is nothing but the law of conservation of energy. Why should my son not be scavenger if I am one?
Harijan, 3-6-1947.
He (Shudra, low caste) may not be called a Brahmin (uppermost caste), though he (Shudra) may have all the qualities of a Brahmin in this birth. And it is a good thing for him (Shudra) not to arrogate a Varna (caste) to which he is not born. It is a sign of true humility.
Young India, 11-24-1927.
According to Hindu belief, he who practices a profession which does not belong to him by birth, does violence to himself and becomes a degraded being by not living up to the Varna (caste) of his birth.
Young India, 11-14-1927.
As years go by, the conviction is daily growing upon me that Varna (caste) is the law of man’s being, and therefore, caste is necessary for Christians and Muslims as it has been necessary for Hinduism, and has been its saving grace.
Speech at Trivandrum, (Collection of Speeches), Ramanath Suman (1932).
I would resist with my life the separation of "Untouchables" from the caste Hindus. The problem of the "Untouchable" community was of comparatively little importance.
London Round Table Conference 1931.
I call myself a Snatana man, one who firmly believes in the caste system.
Dharma Manthan, p 4.
I believe in caste division determined by birth and the very root of caste division lies in birth.
Varna Vyavastha, p 76-77.
The four castes and the four stages of life are things to be attained by birth alone.
Dharma Manthan, p 5.
Caste means the predetermination of a man’s profession. Caste implies that a man must practice only the profession of his ancestors for his livelihood.
Varna Vyavstha, p 28, 56, 68.
Shudra only serves the higher castes as a matter of religious duty and who will never own any property. The gods will shower down flowers on him.
Varna Vyavastha, p 15.
I have noticed that the very basis of our thought have been severely shaken by Western civilization which is the creation of the Satan.
Dharma Manthan, p 65.
How is it possible that the Antyaja (outcastes) should have the right to enter all the existing temples? As long as the law of caste and karma has the chief place in the Hindu religion, to say that every Hindu can enter every temple is a thing that is not possible today.
Gandhi Sikshan, Vol. 11, p 132.
There are I am sorry to say, many Hindu temples in our midst in this country, which are no better than brothels.
The caste system can’t be said to be bad because it does not allow inter-dining and inter-marriages in different castes.
Gandhi by Shiru, p129.
If the Shudar (low caste) leave their ancestral profession and take up others, ambition will rouse in them and their peace of mind will be spoiled. Even their family peace will be disturbed.
Hind Swaraj.
The superiority of caste and race is deeply imbedded in the psyche of upper caste Hindus irrespective of their upbringing or the level of education or the place where they live. For example:
In the words of a socialist leader, Madhu Limaye, "Nehru practiced both racism and casteism, despite his modern upbringing and outlook."
Telegraph, Calcutta, November 21, 1987.
In a revealing passage about his "making", Nehru wrote, "Behind me lie somewhere in the sub-conscience, racial memories of hundred or whatever the numbers may be, generations of Brahmins. I cannot get rid of that past inheritance."
Jawaharlal Nehru, An Autobiography, (1936), Delhi, 1980, p 596.
Sir V. S. Naipaul is a Nobel laureate in literature. His Brahmin ancestors were brought as indentured servants to Trinidad long time ago. He grew up in Trinidad and has spent most of his life in England. In his earlier work "An Area of Darkness, 1964" he was unforgiving of India. However, later on the "Brahmin" in him stirred up and came out spewing hatred and venom. He condoned the massacre of thousands of Sikhs in June 1984, when Indra Gandhi ordered a military attack on the Golden Temple complex the very day when thousands of Sikh pilgrims had gathered there to celebrate the martyrdom of Guru Arjan Dev (A Million Mutinies Now, 1990). In 1992 he justified the destruction of a 400 hundred year old mosque (Babri Masjid) by Hindu mobs lead by Bhartiya Janta Party (a fascist Hindu party) because of the mistreatment of Hindus by Muslim rulers centuries back in the past. He has become the darling of Hindu fascist organizations.
Mahatma Gandhi, whose Baniya (Vaisha) caste is two steps lower than the uppermost Brahmin caste, was a vigorous defender of the caste system.
The caste system, in my opinion, has a scientific basis. Reason does not revolt against it. It has disadvantages. ………Caste creates a social and moral restraint……I can find no reason for their (castes) abolition. To abolish caste is to demolish Hinduism. There is nothing to fight against the Varnasharma (caste system). I don’t believe the caste system to be an odious and vicious dogma. It has its limitations and defects, but there is nothing sinful about it.
Harijan, 1933.
Gandhi’s calling "Untouchables", as Harijans is a cruel joke on the "Untouchables’ by an insensitive and depraved man.
Harijan literally means "child of God". However, in India this label is used for the illegitimate children of temple girls (anchoress) fathered by priests. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, the leader of the Untouchables vehemently opposed Gandhi’s use of Harijans for untouchables. Recently, Ms Mayawati, a leader of the Untouchables asked rhetorically, "If we are Harijans then what are the upper castes like Nehru, Gandhi and Patel? Are they *******s?"
That Gandhi was an "apostle of peace" is not true.
Gandhi was a "Hindu revivalist" and "Hindu politician" combined in one, who used nonviolence as a tool for political objectives. He used to coerce others to concede to his demands by threats of "going to fast unto death". He was no pacifist as is shown by his stand on the issue of Kashmir.
"One naturally thought that he would offer a nonviolent solution to the Kashmir issue and raise his moral stature. But no! He proved to be a false prophet. Seervai has documented that nonviolence with him was a political weapon. (H. M. Seervai, Partition of India, Legend and Reality, Bombay, 1989, p 172-173). He sanctioned the use of armed forces and laid the foundation of Kashmir problem which continues to haunt the subcontinent till today."
Sangat Singh, The Sikhs in History, 4th ed., 2001, p 258.
According to Seervai, in a meeting with Viceroy, Lord Wavell on August 27 1946, Gandhi thumped the table and said, "If India wants bloodbath, she shall have it and that if bloodbath was necessary, it would come about in spite of nonviolence." Wavell was dumbfounded at these words coming from the mouth of "apostle" of nonviolence.
Gandhi was a very cunning man. He was not satisfied with the title of "apostle of peace", he also wanted to project himself as a holy man, which for a Hindu required the practice of celibacy. He was a married man and proclaimed to be celibate at a relatively young age under forty. However, he used to test his celibacy by asking young girls to lie over him to find out whether he was in full control of his sexual feelings. I leave up to psychologists and psychiatrists to analyze what was in Gandhi’s mind and what happened to the emotions of those poor girls! He was always surrounded by women.
So what is Gandhi’s legacy to mankind? The obvious one is the partition of subcontinent into "Hindu India" and Muslim "Pakistan and Bangladesh". These three nations are a "living hell" for minorities. For example, India which claims with pride to be the biggest democracy in the world has killed more Indians in the last fifty years than the British colonists killed in 300 hundred years. More than 95% of those killed by Hindu governments are Christians, Muslims, Sikhs and Dalits (Untouchables). While the populations of these countries are groaning under the weight of poverty, hunger, illiteracy, ignorance and disease, India and Pakistan have built nuclear weapons. The next nuclear war will most probably be fought over the disputed territory of Kashmir in spite of the fact that neither India nor Pakistan has ever asked the Kashmiris what they want.
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I am willing to debate these issues with any one, anywhere and on any stage.
With deep regards.
Baldev Singh, Ph.D.
316 R Glad Way
Collegeville, PA 19426.
(610) 454-1079
(An article "Gandhi as a Racist" by Dr. Velu Anamlai (USA) published in Sikh Virsa, June 1997, was consulted for writing this letter.)
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Brilliant!!! How enlightenin!!Aapne to meri aankhen khol di hein...
If all these books and people actually felt this way about caste system then I shall change my stance and become a staunch supporter of this system. Cheers to the Caste System. Oh I will have to first find out which caste I belong to but whatever...Thats the way to be. Three cheers to the great Caste System!!! I love India and its caste system, the defecating public, the same one that will be storing cow dung in their homes to smear it up on themselves when the almighty Pakistan nukes the poor despicable Bhartis!!!!
Phew this site and its wonderful threads have completely changed me ...I am a new Indian... a new Hindu too....its sad indeed that most Hindus are so oblivious of what their scriptures and leaders said/did...and thanks to a concerned Pakistani, there is light being shown to such mislead Hindus.
C'mon Hindus...I mean all those who forgot about the caste system....Its time you learnt about it...For any doubts on it, you know who to get in touch with. Thank you Lahoreji. Aap mahaan hein....Aaap to purush nahi mahaapurush hein....jai ho aapki jai ho...
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okay this has become a discussion on the religion of hinduism. posting in the religion forum.
The religion mods can decide if this thread should continue.