You think the Quran advocates that men are the climax of all creations, while women are not?
Or you mean "men" as in generally human beings?
Its a deductive interpretation. You can interpret the hijaab as being there because women are naturally evil and temptuous, or you can interpret the hijab as being protective of men's piggishness. Lust is not permitted in men and neither encouraged, but if women still need to cover up, even though men are asked to keep their nazrein down, then that tells you God acknowledges that most men will disobey the Quran and not keep their nazrein down.
Ameer Hamzah, has the thought ever crossed your mind that the word "men" in this sense has been used collectively...meaning both the XX and XY are referred to at the same time?
Ms. Khumar: infact quran uses the word Al Insan, not men and now back to the original topic:
men as in humans.
SO now, please, provide reference for “men being pig” in the eyes of ALLAH
PS, and you have a very wrong interpretation of hijab. There is a story from the Sunnah of Prophet:saw: where prophet asked his wife to observe hijab even infront of a blind sahabi. That tells us that both men and women are advised to keep their gaze lower:) … so by your interpretation, women are “Pigniess” too “in the light of Islam” of course
Pigs is my word that I use for men who leer at women, even though the Quran asked them not to, and who think that women are sex tools, even though the Quran does not permit it. I think I was quite clear on that. I can't speak for Allah, but I can certainly put forth an anti-male interpretation on a verses on which plenty of anti-female interpretations are already kept.
Mr. Lussi says that because there is hijab for women, that Islam allows the double standard exhibited in this thread to exist and promotes it. So because we women wear hijabs, that gives men the right to whore around prior to marriage, but women are not given that right? Does it say that in Islam?
He wants to put forth an anti-female statement like that, then I have no problem in throwing out anti-male statements. Men are piggish creatures and my opinion is that Allah knows it. Hence why he asks us women to cover up, because he knows we'll probably listen since we've been sociologically not raised to be piggish humans.
Going to the same level of gutter is sometimes the most effective way for people of the opposite party to sit up and take notice. If you're this disgusted at my comments, imagine how disgusted women are by the behavior of LEWD men, and even more disgusted that our culture lets them get away with it, just because they are men.
:) Something to think about.
I'm glad you feel deeply disgusted. I hope it gives you an iota of a feeling of how women detest male jerks who happen to run so rampant in our desi communities.
and equally disliked by Allah Himself and termed as a grave sin. for example:
"O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong. "
{49:11}
Oh jeez, then Furqan and Lussi and so many others are going to hell as well, since they’ve openly used the term “whore” on this forum towards women who they are in no position to judge. gulp
The truth hurts. Loads of men out there are pigs, and that I will stand by to the day I day. I can write a grand thesis on how Pakistani men are sexist and allowed by their own culture to be “whorish”. And I can guarantee you, the thesis would start with “men are pigs”, and then the rest of it would be nothing else other than straight real life examples taken from news sources alone.
Well, I am not taking sides. If lusi and furqan said anything that is unislamic, it is to be regarded as wrong. Wrong is always wrong. Negative reasoning can never be an excuse. One should keep him or herself out of dirt and be concious of Allah.
I already explained it with the same kind of reasoning that maulvis use to put down women by misusing Quranic ayahs. Now you can figure that one out yourself.
I was wondering where these posts went. I thought they were deleted, but I just forgot which thread they were in.
So if men do not lower their gaze, they are pigs - far from getting sin.
what is your "islamic fatwa" on women showing their ornaments, for the same matter? I gather Islam acknowledges something about women too then because their are less Hijabies these days anyway.
yet again, I am left wondering without any reference. Just like you failed to show the reference (ayah and surah number) for the implied meaning "men being pig" in the Quran, you again accused poor maulvis without showing any proof from their writtings or books for that matter.
The truth hurts. Loads of men out there are pigs, and that I will stand by to the day I day. I can write a grand thesis on how Pakistani men are sexist and allowed by their own culture to be “whorish”. And I can guarantee you, the thesis would start with “men are pigs”, and then the rest of it would be nothing else other than straight real life examples taken from news sources alone.