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i only believe in Quran ,but there are still certain things even in Quran over which i start to wonder WHY..? How...?When...? Is it really...?
i don't believe in any sects...to me anyone who believes he/she is a muslim ..is a muslim to me....sects are just there to mess up our minds and to divide us thast it...
i don't believe in hadiths or anyother books ,i don't believe in peer,fakirs ,ulema etc etc ...
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You are a far better Muslim than millions around.
As for the questions and what you cannot understand. Keep pondering, keep asking. There is no sin.
State of heart which changes from beliver to nonbeliever, back and forth. is your lack of basic understanding about Allah and his system. And you very well know quran is the key.
cheers!
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I heard that one of the signs of The Day of Judgement will be when some people will be disbelieving Hadith. Please, we should follow Hadith. Believe in Hadith, but not in stars.
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^ Perhaps it was a hadith where you heard that?
Is this literal description of hell from the Quran, speculation, or myth? It sounds like a way of scaring the hell out of people to make them 'believe'. Or at minimum it appeals to the emotional in man rather than spiritual.
Re: HELL All about Hell. what, where, how and more.
Is this literal description of hell from the Quran, speculation, or myth? It sounds like a way of scaring the hell out of people to make them 'believe'.
It does, but when no promise of salvation is made to even those who do believe, the understanding is simply of...well...one of two possible destinations for whomever.
As for the description, they are generally taken to be allegorical in nature, but the severity is taken as literal...if that makes sense...
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Are you an Akhtar Sherazi follower?
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who is tha?
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Words, words and still more words. Without Quranic reference it all means nothing.
Hadeeth unfortunaley is not a word from God.
Before somebody asks me what religion I follow (even though nobody has that right). Go read my posts you will find answer.
Re: HELL All about Hell. what, where, how and more.
Before somebody asks me what religion I follow (even though nobody has that right). Go read my posts you will find answer.
welcome back btw
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^thanx Hareem, see you around.
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As for the description, they are generally taken to be allegorical in nature, but the severity is taken as literal...if that makes sense...
So the **severe **pain, suffering, humiliation and wickedness is literal? Why would God make such contrasts between heaven and hell? Heaven is an unimaginable, perfect existence with all the pleasures we couldn't have here on earth vs this description of hell. It is just too convenient to have these extremes, playing into the simple nature of man's ability to reason so as to influence him without having to make him think.
It is so black and white, just like the belief that a pious, giving, caring, selfless non Muslim will go to this hellfire while someone who may be an a*hole but as long as he is a "Muslim" will forever be swimming in milk and honey. There are all kinds of shades of gray in every aspect of life and the belief of such extremes does not allow for that.
In my view there is no way God would or could put any His creations though this kind of punishment. God loves even the most heinous murderer more than this.
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It is so black and white, just like the belief that a pious, giving, caring, selfless non Muslim will go to this hellfire while someone who may be an a*hole but as long as he is a "Muslim" will forever be swimming in milk and honey. There are all kinds of shades of gray in every aspect of life and the belief of such extremes does not allow for that.
In my view there is no way God would or could put any His creations though this kind of punishment. God loves even the most heinous murderer more than this.
Allah never closed the door of repentence on any of us. The basic thing in every message Allah has sent through Prophets or Messengers is to believe in his being one and all-powerful, do not associate parteners with him in any aspect. This is the simple belief we need to have. Allah has even given the description of hell and inspite the fact of knowing that we still cannot mend our beliefs. What else do you call people except blind after that. Its like you know you will die if you jump from a 100 foot cliff but you don't want to believe it unless you try it, then its too late.
Allah has always said his mercy prevails over his wrath. All that is needed is the correct belief and sincere repentence. Allah gives you a lifetime to mend your belief and realize his existence but the majority is still incapable of it. Despite the fact that the majority today is not doing what Allah has asked us to do Allah is still feeding this humanity, tolerating all the anomalies we create etc etc. Like it is said (don't remember if I read this in Quran or Hadith) if Allah were do destroy or punish us for every sin we do, humanity could not have existed. This speaks of his mercy.
And your notion is not correct that every muslim will be swimming in milh n honey, belief comes from the heart not by tongue. Many of todays muslims can claim they are muslims but their belief at heart is what gives them away. We do not know what is in someones heart but Allah knows.
Back to the basics here, Allah sustains you through this life with so many blessings and tests but you cannot still believe in his existence as he demands. How else should such ingratitude be dealt with?
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What I consider blind is different - it's believing something because of the fear of what will happen if you don't "believe" it.
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Back to the basics here, Allah sustains you through this life with so many blessings and tests but you cannot still believe in his existence as he demands. How else should such ingratitude be dealt with?
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I believe in the existence of God, that is what prevents me from believing that He puts anyone through this description of hell, nevermind that by most peoples' definition, 90% or so of humankind are destined to this hell.
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So are you not afraid to go to hell? Some
I believe in the existence of God, that is what prevents me from believing that He puts anyone through this description of hell, nevermind that by most peoples' definition, 90% or so of humankind are destined to this hell.
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So are you not afraid of going to hell? Some may call it fear and some may call it rationale. Its a law innate in human nature and you cannot deny it. You experience it at every turn in your life even in the simplest of things. Allah reminds us things based on our human nature and who would know it better than the creator of us. When you have a family to feed are you fearful of loosing your job? When you have little kids of yours playing on the street unattended are you fearful of loosing them to some kidnapper or accident? When you are cutting fruits or vegetables with a knife are you not fearful of cutting your hand? When you are walking in the dark are you not fearful of tumbling over some thing you could not see? When you are watching TV are you not fearful that the stress will evetually weaken your eyes? When you eat too much are you not fearful you will get a stomach ache? When you are swimming in the sea are you not fearful that could drown? When you are sent to war are you not fearful that you could die?
A fear of something is always at the end of anything to do. Its just knowing the consequences that curtail the amount of fear that you experience. Fear of the unseen is what Allah asked you to believe because that is what really makes you believe in him. Not believing in hell is denying what Allah has said. So are you trying to say Allah is bluffing you. Allah has told you this is what awaits those who do not follow his prescribed path. So it is evident that you are not fearful of hell otherwise you would have a different attitude. You can come up with whatever definition of blind that pleases you for the sake of argument but the truth is clear and it is not complicated. Every little function of this life points to it, for those who want to realize it and not turn a blind eye.
I find this very conflicting, you believe in God but you don't believe in what God has said to you. So you really do not believe in God yet. Or you do not really believe in who you believe.
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I am concerned that I live my life in the right way and to please God and that dictates my behaviour. I do that out of love and respect, not fear. I agree it is human nature to avoid something out of fear of retribution, and that has been very effective in getting peolpe throughout history to adhere to certain religious beliefs. But let's face it, when these religions were revealed man was even less educated and more barbaric then he is now. These descriptions of Hell were meant to scare people who wouldn't have otherwise lived the way God wanted them to.
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I find this very conflicting, you believe in God but you don't believe in what God has said to you. So you really do not believe in God yet. Or you do not really believe in who you believe.
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No, I don't believe what you believe God has said to you. Just because I don't believe in your interpretation of God and His message doesn't mean I don't believe in God. You do not have a monopoly on God.
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Both of you Do not pass go do not collect 200.
I just could not resist it sorry.
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No, I don't believe what you believe God has said to you. Just because I don't believe in your interpretation of God and His message doesn't mean I don't believe in God. You do not have a monopoly on God.
If you are Muslim, you should follow it fully. Islam is a religion of peace. It teaches us how to live a "Sunnah" life. Tell me any single thing that you misunderstand about Islam so I can try to clear with it. Whatever evil thoughts go to people's mind, that's from Satan.
I get lots of evil thoughts when I lay down to bed without sleeping. Now I am avoiding to go to bed when I am tired.
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And how would you please God if you do not follow what God wants you to follow. None of the monothiestic religions originated with different messages. However all of them except Islam were distorted and the truth they professed about Allah was lost. Agreed people were backward but they were not communicated to in any language different than what they understand. They even witnessed miracles that we could not inspite of that they failed to believe out of their arrogance and insincerity. Believing in Allah has little to do with education, Prophet Muhammad SAW was an unlettered man meaning not educated to even read or write. May be these descriptions were symbolic and we should not take it in a literal sense but they do imply that after death there is punishment for those who fail the test of this world.
Ok. So what is it that you believe in and what is the name of your religion, which you can claim to have been revealed by Allah through a messenger.
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I just could not resist it sorry.
We are fighting over the "Get out of Jail Free" card.