Health, illness and sin

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Re: Health, illness and sin

@gupguppy

finally you’ve seen the light… although you still seem to want people to poison themselves and contract strange bacteria but that’s an obsession i’ll leave to you

your attempt to question the hadith from a linguistic perspective is premature to say the least given that the text we have here is a translation… what word is it in the original that has been rendered as “save”? can you tell us please?.. does the original Arabic include or allow for a grammatical ellipsis wherein a word or words is/are suppressed (idmar) or omitted but assumed (taqdir)? so the question might in fact be: “What will save me from [being punished for my] sins” and the answer might be: “Tears, humility and [suffering an] illness”… so don’t get ahead of yourself

well, I agree that omitting might be premature, but on authority of what CAN you in fact insert the parts in parenthesis? the only answer to this (whether we can or cannot IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE and in light of the implicity that is inserted in the other two answers (tears and humility insert the assumed part) is if we go back and reanalyze it from scratch…so I invite you to try and get a * first hand original copy of the document* with this Hadith, where it was written for the first time and we can settle this issue for once and for all.
(and even then an issue will remain whether these were words of the prophet in the first place)

since you are very fond of bringing forth religious texts, I’m sure you won’t decline this request

but even if not that, do tell me why suddenly a passive stance for illness, whereas all other things are active things?