Hazrat Khizar(A.S) -- meeting people ?

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Ibn Sadique: posted 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

The great Hadith expert (Hafidh) Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on Him) deals with aspects related to Sayyiduna Khadir (or as some call him, Khidar, Peace be upon him) in his monumental commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, ‘Fath al-Bari’...

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Ibn Hajar in fact has a separate book on this topic in which he deals with the issue in greater detail looking at it from both sides of the argument...

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Only some Hadith Scholars have denied this including Imam Nawawi...
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From memory, Bukhari and the prominent Hanbali scholar Ibn al Jawzi are two others who also denied that he is still alive. Ibn al Jawzi presented some ten reasons to support his view... wish I could remember what they were... It is strange that al Sakhawi in his biography of al Nawawi says that al Nawawi used to meet Khizr yet in the above excerpt from Fath al Bari we have al Nawawi mentioned as someone who denied Khizr being alive!?

P.S.

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Ibn Sadique: posted 03-06-2004 10:18 AM

“According to the vast majority of the Scholars, he is still alive..."

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Differs from what Ibn Hajar himself quotes in his book on Khizr where he mentions from Abu Hayyan's Qur'an commentary that, "The majority are of the view that he has died..."

the question remains: what is he doing by being alive? why does he meet people?

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The same could be said about the Companions of the Cave - What are they doing by being alive?

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Sahih Muslim

**Book 041, Number 7017:* Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one day gave a detailed account of the Dajjal and in that it was also included: He would come but would not be allowed to ether the mountain passes to Medina. So he will alight at some of the barren tracts near Medina, and a person who would be the best of men or one from amongst the best of men would say to him: I bear testimony to the fact that you are Dajjal about whom Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had informed us. The Dajjal would say: What is your opinion if I kill this (person), then I bring him back to life; even then will you harbour doubt in this matter? They would say: No. **He would then kill (the man) and then bring him back to life. When he would bring tha@ person to life, he would say: By Allah, I had no better proof of the fact (that you are a Dajjal) than at the present time (that you are actually so). **The Dajjal would then make an attempt to kill him (again) but he would not be able to do that. Abu Ishaq reported that it was said: **That person would be Khadir* (Allah be pleased with him).

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Khizar aur Khizar related stories has nothing to do with a practical religion like Islam. If one look into the core of these stories then one can conclude that, they give u a lesson being impractical and wants u to be dependent on miracles kind of stuff all the time.

If Khizar and likewise personalites ( shia have alot of them)are alive please ask them to come in the picture now coz over one million muslims has been killed and chances are the number will be double with an years period. so they have to show up to save the muslims.

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Here is an interesting article (more of a historical research) on Khizr. He most certainly is a pur-asraar personality.

http://www.sufism.ru/eng/txts/a_ubiquitous.htm#11

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Scholars normally denys the ahadessa and stories from Sufies

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Which scholars do? Baqol many on GS, "references please!" :)

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Khiz’r :as: exists

I know from experience.

End of topic. Close it.

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Its long list of scholars,

Few of them are as follows,

Imam Zahbi, Illama Ibn-e-Jozi, Imam Tamima,

above scholars judgement is based on these kind of statement from Sufis

Nooh ibn -e-Mariyam says , that he have invented ahadees defining "fazail-e-Quran" he justifies his act by further adding that he had no evil intention while doing so, his intentions were to bring people towards Quran.

Ref: Maizan-ul-Aitdal, Fateh-ul-Mughees

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and may i ask who r u?

anyway next time u see him ask him to do something about Bush and if he is not capable of doing so, ask him atleast try to harm Altaf…

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We ask such things from Allah:swt:

That’s not khiz’r:as: job… He is not running the universe .. everything happens with the Will of Allah:swt: not yours, mine or Khiz’r:as:

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Ofcourse he is not running the universe, niether he can! but according it is said that he has control over waters and kind of stuff, and infact there are same rhymes asking him to grant a successfull voyage.

anyway once, i was in flood-hitted area of Punjab and one of the local resident told me that this flood was result of the fight between Khizar and some local sufi who was burried there…

Above is the slightest view of ignorance and impractility of Muslims… Book of sufis ( the original story teller about Khizar) are full of these kind of incidents…

and u added that because u have experinced him thats y it is reality??? i may ask that what is ur status?

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never heard of that... nor do I know about that...


that is pure Jahaalat.. what can I say? I dissassociate myself from such beliefs


if they are like the above mentioned, they are unislamic IMO.


subjective

I am currently Online

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that is one of the way to turn away!!!

so if i translate ur statement that means

app ab line per aagay haiN

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haha.. good one.. but Khiz’r :as: exists.

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Please prove it, iam eager to know about his existance!!!

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unfortunately, you failed to see "personal experience" tag in my first post. If I will expalin what I experience, you will associate it to one of those ignorant anecdotes you just told me above. My personal experience was not recorded by a historian. sorry :D

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So, the existance of such religious personality ( in todays era) cannot be proven by authenticate religious books.