i was just trying to understand if there was no jaziya to be collected... where would you get the money for
Maintenance of army.
[ii] Construction and maintenance of Forts
[iii] Construction and maintenance of Roads and Bridges
[iv] Well sinking
[v] Construction of Sarais (Rest houses)
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as your post did not clarify this point..
no non-muslims in your land = no money for
Maintenance of army.
[ii] Construction and maintenance of Forts
[iii] Construction and maintenance of Roads and Bridges
[iv] Well sinking
[v] Construction of Sarais (Rest houses)
....
but as you dont understand what i was trying to ask.. then forget it ,.. i dont think you will be able to answer my question..
And you are right I am no scholar let alone knowledgeable so I really don’t know what they would do if there were no non-muslims BUT I think like I said earlier they will get the money needed for above from other sources like land tax…most probably.
Still i dont think… no non-muslims in your land = no money for
Maintenance of army.
[ii] Construction and maintenance of Forts
[iii] Construction and maintenance of Roads and Bridges
[iv] Well sinking
[v] Construction of Sarais (Rest houses)
coz it doesn’t make sense kay if there’s no jaziya no money for these things
i think it wud be better if someone cud start with the first khalifa Abu Bakar (ra) and show how he made reforms in the different affaris of government/public dealing, and then Umar (ra), then Uthman (ra) and then Ali (ra)....
after them i doubt if anyone made any useful reforms....
although the Muslims world was a perfect picture of a 'welfare state' under the rule of Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra)....
i think it wud be better if someone cud start with the first khalifa Abu Bakar (ra) and show how he made reforms in the different affaris of government/public dealing, and then Umar (ra), then Uthman (ra) and then Ali (ra)....
after them i doubt if anyone made any useful reforms....
although the Muslims world was a perfect picture of a 'welfare state' under the rule of Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra)....
I second that. The amount of work that these 4 Khalifas, and in the time that they did it was amazing... The establishment of the political, social, economical system; and all in accordance to the shariah, Subhanallah... Hazrat Ali (r.a) coninued well the system that the previous three Khalifahs began, May Allah SWT raise the rank of all those who served Islam with so much sincerity....
there is similarity between caliphate of abu bakr[ra] and Ali[as] both distributed the stipends equally between the early converts and later converts.
Umar[ra] introduced the concept of sabiqa or early merit in Islam in which stipends were distributed according to people's acceptance of Islam so first were the wives and the banu hashim as family of Prophet[saw] then the badr veterans , then uhad and so forth.
The veterans of yarmuk and qaddissiyah were also accorded special status and their stipends higher than rest.Thus even later converts [companions of post-fatah makkah] could boast of a stipend as high as 2500 dirhams /year
ALthough many people disagreed with this system it shud be borne in mind that umar[ra] personally had little to gain from this system as his tribe banu tamim was not related to the prophet[saw].Furthermore the distribution of wealth was ensured in the empire as much as possible during a time of great abundance , and during his caliphate with the exception of 2 people most governers were appointed according to their religious status and were generally of humble origin.This anti-aristocratic attitude can be found in most policies and lifestyle of Umar[ra]. These will be revived and perfected even more under Ali[as] but unfortunately as we know his reign was plagued by rebellions who resented these egalitarian measures.
it should however be accepted that there were variations in policy amongst all these three caliphs and no two policies were 100% alike
iafter them i doubt if anyone made any useful reforms....
although the Muslims world was a perfect picture of a 'welfare state' under the rule of Umar bin Abdul Aziz (ra)....
umar b abdulaziz[ra] great achievement was that he was able to reconcile all the factions of the muslims even the kharijites ....that certainly helped the economic aspect as well.
Maintenance of army.
[ii] Construction and maintenance of Forts
[iii] Construction and maintenance of Roads and Bridges
[iv] Well sinking
[v] Construction of Sarais (Rest houses)
coz it doesn't make sense kay if there's no jaziya no money for these things :)
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maintainence of a standing army is generally not encouraged in Islam.
most of them are raised through conscription ...the idea being to arouse the spirit of holy war amongst muslims not create a breed of mercenary soldiers for whom fighting is just another job.[interesting most early muslim warriors were not fulltime soldiers but had other proffessions as well]
....thus we see that in conquest of Iran under umar[ra] and the great war of siffin in Ali[as] time the muslims fought based on their tribal affiliations [although some mixed units did exist esp. amongst the medinians] they were paid largely from the spoils of war and the land they conquered.Even the military establishment of kufa which was designed specifically to base the warriors of conquest hardly had a uniform military organization.But was mostly a ad hoc collection of different warrior tribes which accounted a great deal for their ficklemindedness].
The maintainence of large standing armies personally paid by the caliph was a later development starting with ummayyads, which is a neccessary measure for all despots.It was possible for them to buy their loyalty as they had the bayt ul mal at their disposal.
Leaders like Ali[as] and umar[ra] who never took a penny above their allowance from bayt ul mal did not have that luxury
I don't remember exactly now who said it [eisenhower?] that it is the empires that need big standing armies and america shouldn't become one though it has in many senses.
I think another big achievement of Umar [ra] was the compilation of the quran into one book as sahabas, who had memorized it by heart, were dying fast. We would have had serious problems if he hadn't done that. It took christianity 200 or so years before the official bible was first promulgated. It led to many distortions in the book.
excuse my dumbness 
so I really don’t know what they would do if there were no non-muslims BUT I think like I said earlier they will get the money needed for above from other sources like land tax…most probably. 
