Khoon-e-Yazid
And which khoon are you? Khoon-e-Abdullah bin Sabah?
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Nussairee Buddhay !! Main nay sophi ko kuch kaha, tumharay kyun aag lag gayi ???
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Jawaani chali gayi, par * “Shauq-e-Mut’ah” * na gaya !!!
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Ahmadjee;
Pls see below Hazrat Ali's (as) response to your question - what happened during the time of Abu Baker (ra), Umar (ra), and Usman (ra) - and why Hazrat Ali embark upon the actions he chose.
Dear sister Sophie,
hope you didn't feel bad about how these other characters like Khoon and Serial have been behaving. They are inherently rude. Hope you are well.
Known as the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyyah
Beware! By Allah the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr)dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it.
Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was pricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab [UMAR] after himself.
(Then he quoted al-A`sha's verse):
My days are now passed on the camel's back (in difficulty) while there were days (of ease) when I enjoyed the company of Jabir's brother Hayyan.[3]
It is strange that during his [UMAR'S]lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one [USMAN] after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. **This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation.
Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he [USMAN] went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group[4] and regarded me to be one of them. But good Heavens! what had I to do with this "consultation"? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah's wealth[5] like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate.
At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husayn were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like the herd of sheep and goats. When I took up the reins of government one party broke away and another turned disobedient while the rest began acting wrongfully as if they had not heard the word of Allah saying:
That abode in the hereafter, We assign it for those who intend not to exult themselves in the earth, nor (to make) mischief (therein); and the end is (best) for the pious ones.
(Qur'an, 28:83)
Yes, by Allah, they had heard it and understood it but the world appeared glittering in their eyes and its embellishments seduced them. Behold, by Him who split the grain (to grow) and created living beings, if people had not come to me and supporters had not exhausted the argument and if there had been no pledge of Allah with the learned to the effect that they should not acquiesce in the gluttony of the oppressor and the hunger of the oppressed I would have cast the rope of Caliphate on its own shoulders, and would have given the last one the same treatment as to the first one. Then you would have seen that in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat.
A Wizard arrives neither early nor late, but precisely when he chooses to
Indeed those initial 4 caliphs of Islam. were most pious men amongst Muslims..
In Quran Allah Almighty has clearly said, that he give the power to whom he wants, and takes power when he wants..
No one here, can question the cerdibility , level of Hazrat abu bakr, for he was the most beloved companion, Hazrat umer the defender of Islam, hazrat Usman ( a very pious man ) hazrat Ali, very beloved person.
These men are among the 10 ppl, whom Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) told the good news that, they will be bestowed with jannah in hereafter.
and yet ppl, come up with claims against those pillars of Islam at that time ??
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how insaane, disgraceful and shamefull..
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I respect all 4 caliphs of Islam, and my salam on all sahaba karam, Aaliee Muhammad(SAW), and Salam on Hazrat Muhammad(SAW)...
May allah guide us all, and we are bestowed with knowledge and guided on righteous path, ameen
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Allah-o-Akbar
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-"--"--- To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target
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*and yet ppl, come up with claims against those pillars of Islam at that time ??
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how insaane, disgraceful and shamefull..
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Flamez;
Pls don't use such words that attack other beliefs. There is always a counter argument to every point of view.
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** Flamez;
Pls don't use such words that attack other beliefs. There is always a counter argument to every point of view.**
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Yes, but there's a difference between a valid and convincing argument, and an invalid and unconvincing argument.
People also have arguments in favor of ** nude colonies, ** does that mean we should accept them and not criticize them, just because they have a few words that they can call "counter arguments" ?
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Defending your Shia sister ??
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When her posts turn vulgar, you seem to turn a blind eye , don’t you ??
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Or you talk of Muslim unity, and are quick to attack those who speak out against the Shias, but when the Shias attack the “Wahhabis”, and post the nastiest lies about them, (but are careful NOT to define “Wahhabism”), it doesn’t bother you, does it ???
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After all, by hook and crook, by lies and taqiya, Shiism has to be defended and Mainstream Islam attacked !!
After you have stopped coughing out non-sense, please remember that I am every bit ahl-sunnat as you claim to be.
The difference is that I try to understand other ppl’s point of view, while you bash and run.
Hope you understand that.
chchchchc. Itnee jaldee tapp gaye?
Would like me to eloborate a little on your maama hinda, mother of your Muawiya dada?
Or perhaps a few stories or two abt father of Ummar Bin Khittab. And there is so many of them, arent there!
PPL..
First look @ ur self..
and then think abt the personality of Abu-Bakr, Umer, Usman , ALI (raz)..
do you think, that you are near the level of those Sahaba karam ?
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Allah-o-Akbar
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Originally posted by FlameZz:
**First look @ ur self..
and then think abt the personality of Abu-Bakr, Umer, Usman , ALI (raz)..
do you think, that you are near the level of those Sahaba karam ?
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Bhai Meray !
They don't curse them because they believe they were bad people.
** Why don't they curse Abu Jahl or Abu Lahab too - who were the arch-enemies of Islam ?? **
Why do they focus on concentrating our beloved Sahaaba (R) ? The greater the status of a Sahaabi (R), the viler and filthier their abuses become.
Well, that is because ** they hate Islam. ** And they are not so much into cursing Abu Jahl or Abu Lahab, because after all, even they were the ** enemies of Islam,** and so they have ** COMMON loyalty, and COMMON aims. **
Trying to avoid my questions gandalf ??
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If you really try to understand other ppl’s point of view, ** Why do you keep quiet when Mainstream Islam is attacked, or “Wahhabis” are attacked in the filthiest and nastiest manner ? **
And why do you ** resort to lying to attack Mainstream Islam and defend Shiism ??? ** (I’ve already proved that in my other post).
(Or you are severely misinformed, but that is very unlikely, since you seem to know a lot about Shiism and Mainstream Islam).
As for me, I don’t attack the Shias just because they are Shias. I did make it clear in one of my other posts, that the Yemeni Zaidi Shias are considered within the fold of Islam . Though they are deviants, but they are generally accepted within the fold of Islam. So, ** I don’t bash for no purpose. **
Now what are you going to do? Again avoid my questions, and make another personal comment, and get away???
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Instead of singing your Shia nursery rhymes about our Beloved Sahaaba (R), Why don’t you tell us how many of your Sunni guests you have food-poisoned by spitting/urinating in their food ?
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Khoon-e-Shaheed.
Stay away from personal insults, more so against female members. Learn to give some respect.
Sophi.
Do NOT personalize any issue, or else, you will have to find another forum as well.
Our learned and scholarly ancestors couldnt resolve these differences, and you expect to do it here?
Learn to co-exist and have a peaceful discussion. Do not turn this into a mess, else I will clean it will one sweep.
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Learn to co-exist and have a peaceful discussion. Do not turn this into a mess, else I will clean it will one sweep.
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I'm sorry moderator. But I do have one objection.
Those posts that attack Mainstream Islam are tolerated, and when they are responded back, then the thread gets locked.
I'm not blaming you for anything. It's very likely that you may have overlooked it. But I do find that objectionable.
Btw, I didn't join this forum for Shia-bashing. I joined it to answer the Hindus here. But, because of the Sunni-Bashing, "Wahhabi"-Bashing etc (all based on lies), I had to resort to answering them in a language they understand.
I apologize for any UnIslamic remarks I may have made.
I have not overlooked anything.
Not everyone in this world agrees with your views regarding Islam. And most of the time, their views will sting you personally. My only objective is to keep you from turning it into a mud slinging match. That only makes Islam look worse, since thats what you seem to be 'defending' when you make personalized remarks in 'defense' of Islam.