Well well people!
I really am depressed after reading all ur replies. So many versions of the same Quranic verse have been put forth, ppl tryin to justify that there word is correct by molding the word of ALLAH. But no matter how hard someone tries my ALLAH has already taken the responsiblity of protecting his book till the day of judgment, so this releavs me.
Also the Prophet was greaved because he knew that His Ummah will be taken apart by sects , and clearly this we can see in this small example.
The only advise I can give to my self and all my bro is that try to follow what ALLAH and HIS Prophet said every other thing is secondary, once our belif is strong then we might be able to concentrate on secondary things like who was closer to ALLAH Hazrat ABU-BAKAR or Hazrat ALI.
one more peice of advise please refrain from using phrases like 'scared to death' for people who already have been promosed paradise.
May ALLAH show us the right path.
Hey wacther
Public kay pass time nahee hay
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
** You mean Allah does not know what was in the heart of abu jee? I really am shocked You are starting to deny Allah's greatness as seer of All thing!
You really have dissapointed me X now I think you can never debate with me as I really have lost all my faith in you !
If he was not in fear than why would the Prophet say do not greive(which clearly means that he was not very happy in the present situation)**
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oh i dooo feel for you dear.....you didnt understand teh context of the whole paragraph there...go back and check....
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It's not how fast you were GOING, It's how fast you STOPPED!**
Well The Holy Prophet at Gadeer-e-Khum said “man kunto mawlahu fa `Aliyyun mawlahu”
and this is big warning or guidline for us, now its upto you to judge which of those categories would judge those Khalifa rite.
and yeah we don’t curse sahaba’s brother, We respect Hazrat Salman Farsi( whom Holy Prophet counted in his Ahley-bait) and others, and yeah we do also respect Holy Prophet wives except Ayesha, who lead war against Hazrat Ali (whom you said you regard the highest status), even though Quran asked her not to leave her house in the 33 surah of Quraan Majeed and if you look at the ayat 32 and 33, and this led to the death of the fellow muslims, this shows that her stand was wrong, this thing has been brought in the forum a lot of times but the forums were closed without any reasons.
“PS: Read the verse over and over again, and grieve - why Abu Bakr and why not Ali… cry babies.”
Thanks but I am proud that The Imam i belief in doesn’t fear of death in the way of Allah
but slept on the bed of Prophet as a brave man, If you want to see true leaders look at Imam Hussain and his family at Medan-e-Karbala, look how good is death to them on the way of Allah,
Xcommunist you said
“just think for a second…DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK ALLAH WOULD FIRST MENTION ABU BAKR AS THE COMPANION OF THE PROPHET, ADN TEHN INTENTIONALLY PUT THE WORD FEAR TO DEGRADE HIS PRESENCE???”
so are you trying to deny the authenticity of this ayat
and yeah if you want some references about Gadeer-e-khum you might want to check this website out. http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/incident.htm
and please would you please like to give references where did you learn about this jews trying to create shia’sm
what if the story is the opposite if they corrupted Abu Bakr and Umar and asked them not to follow Gadeer-e-Khum.
and yeah Watcher in the forum of
shia and sunni debators you said that
Nauzubillah Our Imams wrote books that contradicting Quran without any references.
Do you have any references on the issue.
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wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, subhan allah!
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Originally posted by Insaniyat:
**
Thanks but I am proud that The Imam i belief in doesn't fear of death in the way of Allah
but slept on the bed of Prophet as a brave man, If you want to see true leaders look at Imam Hussain and his family at Medan-e-Karbala, look how good is death to them on the way of Allah,
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Subhannallah brother this is really amazing as it correctly says that the family of the prophet were ready to face any situation with Allah in thier hearts and the love of thier religion in thier minds!
And on the flip side we see Abu bakar who did not fight on the side of the prophet during Badar. And Usmaan stayed home with his wife so did not fight in the battle while Hazrat Ali was fighting and was one of the main causes Islam beat the infeilds!
An other incident was on the day of Khandak was at night the prophet asked one of his sahabas to go and spy on the enemy he first asked Abu jee and he replided
"I ask pardon of Allah and his prophet" so the Prophet Asked umer and he replied the same as the first.
so the prophet said I promise Janaat to the man who goes and spys them Huzaifa came up and asked if he could go and the prophet gave him leave and prayed for him!
This goes to show the men who became Caliphs so caled "leadership" bcause thy can't follow the prophets leadership and they still go on to make thier own!!!
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
"Hazrat Ali was never defeated in a war or a combat throughout his life. His physical strength was beyond human comprehension. He removed from the hinges the strong doors of the Khyber fort with a single jolt of his hand. Later, seven strong men with Abu Ra'fe', the famous strongman, could not lift even an inch from the ground one of the corners of the door. When asked about his wonderful display of strength, in removing the doors, Hazrat Ali replied that it was his divine power." (Sayyidul Ausiya, p. 65)
"Ali, Son of Abu Talib, Son-in-Law and first cousin of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him), father of Imam Hasan and the greatest Martyr Imam Husain, the Lion of God, Gateway of Knowledge, the mightiest of mighty; does not need an introduction, He was at the same time master of the Pen and Sword -- a rare combination. Even today in the battle fields the Cry of "Ya Ali !" resounds, invoking his help. Sportsmen, Wrestlers and Athletes, taking part in manly games, chant the Slogan of "Ya Ali !" for their victory. On the other hand, the pious devoted entirely to the service of God, almost all of them trace the spiritual lineage from Ali and believe him to be the Fountain Head of all Knowledge." - S.M.A. Rizvi
"Ali is absent today from our midst only physically. His soul even to this day is the greatest spiritual resort to everyone who seeks the help of God through his medium. Thousands and thousands of people call out to him in their difficulties, and the word "Ya Ali Madad", automatically comes to them. A famous prayer known as "NADEY ALI" (Call Ali) is recited wherever abound the lovers of Ali." - Majlisi
"Here the garrison came out in great force, and on that day every attack made by the Muslims was repulsed. "Tomorrow," said the Prophet, "will I give the standard unto a man whom God and His messenger love. God will give us the victory by his hands; he is not one who turneth back in flight."
"In his previous campaigns the Prophet had used relatively small flags as standards, but to Khaybar he had brought a great black standard made from a cloak of A'isha's. They called it 'the Eagle', and this he now gave to Ali." - Martin Lings in his book: "Muhammad - his life based on the earliest sources"
Hazrat Ali was always at the Prophet's side working to forward the cause of Allah. This meant not only educating the new Muslims about the fresh revelations but also defending the believers from the opposition to this new faith. Prophet Muhammad came to rely on Hazrat Ali's help as his chief commander of his army and with the help of his two-horned sword named Zulfiqar (which means 2-pronged), Hazrat Ali defeated many an army.
"At the battle at the Fort of Khyber, Hazrat Ali had stayed behind, and when the Muslims were losing hopelessly, Prophet Muhammad called for the help of Hazrat Ali in his prayer to Allah. Ya Ali Bilutfika Adrikani! O Ali, come to my help by Thy Favor! Hazrat Ali came riding and to the rescue of his team; he held the door of the fort across the moat, miraculously, with one arm, until all the Muslims had crossed over."
"Ali was one of the most courageous and able men in the Muslim army. He was appointed the standard-bearer at the battles of both Badr and Khaybar. At Khaybar (A.H. 7) the following tradition is related by several Sunni and Shi'i histories. This is the version found in a Sunni collection of Traditions, the Sahih of Muslim:
'The Apostle of God said on the day of Khaybar: "I shall certainly give this banner to a man who loves God and His Apostle and through whom God will give victory." Umar ibn al-Khattab said: "I never wished for a leadership except on that day." And he also said: "And so I leapt up towards it hoping to claim it as a right." And the Apostle of God summoned Ali, the son of Abu Talib, and gave it to him and said "Go! And do not turn aside until God gives you victory."
"When the Prophet left to go on his longest expedition, to Tabuk, Ali was left in charge at Medina. According to some accounts, Ali felt insulted to be left with the women and children while, according to others, rumours spread that Ali had been left behind because it was feared he would bring misfortune to the expedition. In any case, Ali went to the Prophet voicing his discontent at being left behind. It was at this time, according to numerous Sunni and Shi'i Traditionists, that the famous Hadith of Manzilat Harun (position of Aaron) was revealed. According to this Tradition, Muhammad said to Ali: " Are you not content to be with respect to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that after me there shall be no other Prophet." The implication was that Ali was to be Muhammad's chief assistant in his lifetime and his successor after him." - Moojan Momen's "An introduction to Shi'i Islam" published by Yale University Press
NAAD-e-ALI
Naadey Ali! Nade Ali!
Naadey Aliyyan
Mazharal Ajayeb
Tajidahu Aunun Laka Finnwaeb
Kullu Hamin wa Gamin Sayanjali
Bi Wilayatika
Ya Ali! Ya Ali! Ya Ali!
Translation:
Call Ali! Call Ali!
Call aloud to Ali
Who is the epiphanic source of wonders
You shall surely find him helping in your troubles
All grief and anxiety will disappear
By Your power and Authority!
O Ali! O Ali! O Ali!
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Call Ali! Call Ali!
Call aloud to Ali
Who is the epiphanic source of wonders
*You shall surely find him [ALI] helping in your troubles *
All grief and anxiety will disappear
By *Your [ALI] power and Authority! *
O Ali! O Ali! O Ali!****
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Astagfayrullah hay rabbi…
Mohammad saw, durin' his entire life had nevah pointed out tu ennyone as MUSHRIQ ('cept one),
while Al-kitab, da book, which is sent fo' da believahs, addresses MOOSHRIQEEN noomrous times fum start till end…
so it means thet there is a very skimpy line between SHIRQ an' TAWHEED.
Dear Shias try ta distin'uish da difference between da two ends.
Today iz da nite of 27 ramZan, ask Allah fo' the right path. may He bless uz.
Shirk is when you challenge or deny Tawheed and tawheed is the supreame oneness of Allah!
Ali by no means is Allah so saying ya! Ali! by no means is Shirk as you can see Ahmed G's post on calling Ya Mohammed it os clearly lawful.
And May Allah give you, Watcher and All those other Wahabees(who are jews in disguise)because tonight might be Shab-e-Qadar and Allah pushes the disbelivers farther away and brings the belivers closer(I hope you may find youselves in the latter because I want no good muslims in Hell)
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
**Shirk is when you challenge or deny Tawheed and tawheed is the supreame oneness of Allah!
Ali by no means is Allah so saying ya! Ali! by no means is Shirk as you can see Ahmed G's post on calling Ya Mohammed it os clearly lawful.
And May Allah give you, Watcher and All those other Wahabees(who are jews in disguise)because tonight might be Shab-e-Qadar and Allah pushes the disbelivers farther away and brings the belivers closer(I hope you may find youselves in the latter because I want no good muslims in Hell)**
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AMEEEEEEEEEN!!!!
Watcher if we fight for Haq in islam aren’t we contributing towards it, Abu Bakr son fought with Hazrat Ali whom you regard the highest status with Umar and Uthman, so are you trying to say that Nauzubillah Hazrat Ali (having the same status as Umar, Abu Bakr and Uthman) was with the Batil and Ayesha who disobyed the Quran and led the war on Hazrat Ali was on Haq, Is there any such Hadith that Quran is not meant to be followed by the wives of the Prophet. Didnt Holy Prophet said us to follow Quran.
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AMEEEEEEEEEN!!!!**
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Sum Ameen!
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
Watcher Are You There ????????????
waiting for your reply
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Originally posted by Shah Jahan:
And May Allah give you, Watcher and All those other Wahabees(who are jews in disguise)because tonight might be Shab-e-Qadar and Allah pushes the disbelivers farther away and brings the belivers closer(I hope you may find youselves in the latter because I want no good muslims in Hell)
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well i guess u just showed wat kinda muslim u r.
Waiting for answers brother
Insaniyat - don't expect any answers from Watcher.
What can he tell you ? One who is himself astray.
Don't bother. When he shows more respect for an old man (Abu Baker) who is scared for his life in the presence of our holy apostle (pbuh) in the cave than for the Lion of Allah who was sleeping peacefully in his bed while the enemies of Islam had surrounded him - why do you even bother asking such clowns.
Run you sunnis, run from the truth.
The first one is Muhammed, the last one is Muhammed, they are all Muhammed (the 12 holy imams)
haha, insaniyat, you THINK you are on haq.
You deny the verses of quran, you do not like the verse which does not fulfil your personal desiress. You try to make and amend quran the way YOU people want to. That is NOT haq. You people follow the Imaams who say they are powers or unseen and powers to control their death, when Allah in quran says that ONLY he(Allah) has those powers.
Now is that haq or batil to ignore what is Allah is saying and try to follow your desires and follow the desires of Imaams? Quran is QURAN and I posted that verse from Quran, that is the truth and you can’t seem to handle it, sir.
Now, its time to tell the real story for those who say that sunnis and wahabis are jews and all that crap. Well I hope you shias out there have READ your own hadith books, because I am going to post a thread now that proves that Shia sect was started off by a Jew named Abdullah bin Saba and the references are FROM SHIA HADITH BOOKS. So, before you lose it on me, make sure you know those books. Thank you sir.
take it easy…the truth.
PS: Know the difference between right and wrong before you try to distinguish it from each other. Also, something wrong might be right to you and something right might be wrong to you.
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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
Brother which Ayats of Quran do we deny please give some references before you make those kinda comments, I often give you references, like when i tell u y don’t we respect i proved u y was she wrong, now tell me u have any comments on it. I don’t have the problem with the Ayat i agree it is Abu Bakr the fear ful companion their, and i even give u notes on how the ayat is interpretted, i guess its hard for u to swollow the truth, dont blame us for twisting the translation of Ayats, Its you people who keep twisiting just to avoid it, Do a little research on when was the Ayat revealed and what was the purpose of it. Brother no matter how much proofs from your own books and Quran one gives, Some ppl just don’t wanna accept it even though they know its not right. May Allah show u the right path. Didnt i clarify u y were we on Haq at the Battle of Jamal, and now since u don’t have any way to proof ur point u twisted the topic that now we deny the verses of Quran without any references,I just proved u one thing and now u have a problem with other wihtout accepting the first, I know at times its hard to accept the turth, but learn to accept it, Dont just come up with lame excuses. its better for u.
Hadith of Prophet
“Verily, I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you: the Book of God and my kindred (`itrah), my household (Ahl alBayt), for indeed, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the Pond (of alKawthar on the Judgement’s Day).”
And where are the references that Nazubillah our Imam's wrote the books that contradicts Quran