Wait for next Beauty contest and you’ll see Iraqi woman in beauty contest… the world has been in dark all this time because they couldn’t see Iraqi women (just like Afghani woman) and now Iraq is liberated and women shall be able to contest in Miss World, Miss Earth, Miss Universe competitions. Thats what the war was for, LIBERATION, not to ignore what Nadia_H said above.
So where is the WMD?
Who cares? Where’s Saddam? Transparent move to revive this thread on the morning the pig is caught. 
Maybe they will put french fries up his nose and make him us what he did with them?
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Well after the US military killing tens of thousands of Iraqi people, on the basis of outright lies (which you defended as the truth), then most most people care.
Btw, hope you are seeing the beautiful side in people these days? :)
More on the issue by Scott Ritter, ex-weapons inspector and ex-marine. As many have stated, not just on this board, mockery has been made of international law, justice and treaties. Its high time there was peaceful regime change in UK and USA.
“Scott Ritter: The search for Iraqi WMD has become a public joke. But I, for one, am not laughing
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Saddam was finally run to ground in December. On his capture, he is reported to have said that WMD was an issue created by George Bush to justify the invasion of Iraq. This is a claim that has increasing validity.
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Tony Blair … faced further ignominy when Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, publicly mocked his assertions that David Kay, the former UN weapons inspector turned CIA agent who headed the so-far futile search for WMD in occupied Iraq, had found “massive evidence of a huge system of clandestine laboratories”. Dismissed by Bremer as a “red herring”, Blair’s discredited comments only underscore the sad fact that the issue of Iraqi WMD, and the entire concept of disarmament, has become a public joke.
The misrepresentation and distortion of fact carried out by President Bush and Prime Minister Blair is no joke, but rather represent an assault on the very fabric of the concept of a free and democratic society which they espouse to serve.
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The damage done goes well beyond the borders of the US and Britain. One must also calculate the irreparable harm done to the precepts of international law, the viability of multilateral organisations such as the United Nations, and the concepts of diplomacy and arms control which kept the world from destroying itself during the last century.
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Scott Ritter was a UN weapons inspector from 1991-98. He is the author of ‘Frontier Justice: Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Bushwhacking of America’
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=477860
Iraq’s Arsenal Was Only on Paper
Interesting article, I’ve pasting some interesting excerpts…
*Since Gulf War, Nonconventional Weapons Never Got Past the Planning Stage *
The document, written just after the defection of Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law on Aug. 8, 1995, anticipates the collapse of cover stories for weapons that had yet to be disclosed. ** Read alongside subsequent discoveries made by U.N. inspectors, the document supports Iraq’s claim that it destroyed all production stocks of lethal pathogens before inspectors knew they existed. **
The defection of Hussein Kamel was a turning point in the U.N.-imposed disarmament of Iraq in the 1990s. Kamel, who had married one of Saddam Hussein’s daughters, Raghad, and controlled Baghdad’s Military Industrial Commission, told his Western debriefers about major programs in biological and nuclear weaponry that had gone undetected or unconfirmed. Iraq was forced to acknowledge what he exposed, but neither inspectors nor U.S. officials were sure Kamel had told all there was to tell.
A handwritten Iraqi damage report, composed five days after the defection, now suggests that Kamel left little or nothing out.
** “Saddam Hussein ordered this work, but where would we get the materials?” said an Iraqi general who declined to be named and who kept close tabs on Tamimi’s missile designs. “This was the case in every field. People would prepare reports under the order of Saddam Hussein and the supervision of the people around Saddam Hussein. But it was not real.” **
Iraq's Arsenal Was Only on Paper
And the occupation plans were written on toilet paper, wipe your ass and move on.
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** "Saddam Hussein ordered this work, but where would we get the materials?" **
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The sanctions clearly crippled Saddam from producing a weapons program quickly, but the sanctions also allowed Saddam to abuse them in a way that caused the Iraqi people to suffer allowing Saddam to demonetize those who supported the sanctions. Thus the only logical step was to remove what kept the Sanctions in place, Saddam.
So many American's fed so many lies, which they believed hook line and sinker, whcih they defended, and then proven so, so wrong. :)
Oppps. Even Clinton (Mr. Regime Change) was convinced…
Clinton believes Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: Portugal PM
Former US president Bill Clinton said in October during a visit to Portugal that he was convinced Iraq had weapons of mass destruction up until the fall of Saddam Hussein, Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Manuel Durao Barroso said.
“When Clinton was here recently he told me he was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime,” he said in an interview with Portuguese cable news channel SIC Noticias.
Most thought there was some type of weapons program in place and this was supported by the apparent smokescreen that Iraqi military officials and Iraqi scientists put up in front of Saddam himself. That said the twisting of intelligence done by the Bush administration went to far, the embellishments of an eminent threat were simply not backed by truth. Using political pressure on the Intelligence Community is a dangerous path to go down and while the removal of Saddam should have occurred the steps taken to do so were faulty ones.
chosen1!
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You're missing the point. Beliefs such as these should be tested and verified before taking action based upon them. Yes, almost everyone thought Iraq had WMD. If we had prodded forcefully and coherently, we would have found these beliefs to be false.
Por ejemplo:
If a cop pulls over a car and believes the driver to have a gun, does he shoot the driver and then check the car? or shoot up the car to fill the driver with shock and awe so that he might produce a gun?
But without that we would have had to cite the genocide, which would have been a far easier and more plausible, more legitimate argument.. but not nearly as fun, I guess.
OT: that whole "Clinton's penis" argument is really kinda amusing now, though. I heard Rush the other day talking about the immigration "reform" and he didn't once mention any substance.. just dwelled on Clinton's penis.
No WMD? "Clinton's penis!"
Good to see some reporting in the US media reporting the actual reality…
Mounting evidence shows Iraq didn’t have WMDs
THIS WAS an important week to remember that Vice President Dick Cheney once said, “There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” And that President Bush once said there is “no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” And especially that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once said, “We know where they are.” The original justification for invading Iraq crumbled even more this week. A 5,000-word Washington Post story said that while Iraqi scientists were trying to sketch and design missiles, the weapons did not exist. While former Iraqi officials engaged in “abundant deception” about their dreams of future weapons, the dreams were nowhere near the nightmare depicted by Bush. The Post reported: ***"Weapons investigators have found no support for the two main fears expressed in London and Washington before the war: that Iraq had a hidden arsenal of old weapons and built advanced programs for new ones. In public statements and unauthorized interviews, investigators said they have discovered no work on former germ warfare agents such as anthrax and no work on a new designer pathogen – combining pox virus and snake venom – that led US scientists on a highly classified hunt for several months.
"The investigators assess that Iraq did not, as charged in London and Washington, resume production of its most lethal nerve agent, VX, or learn to make it last longer in storage. And they have found the former nuclear weapons program, described as a grave and gathering danger' by President Bush and a mortal threat’ by Vice President Cheney, in much the same shattered state left by UN inspectors in the 1990s. “A review of available evidence, including some not known to coalition investigators and some they have not made public, portrays a nonconventional arms establishment that was far less capable than US analysts judged before the war.”*** The Post story detailed a battered Iraqi arms infrastructure that never recovered from the 1991 Gulf War. Its nuclear arms program was reduced to “less than zero,” according to one of the would-be developers of an Iraqi nuke, Sabah Abdul Noor. The Post obtained a document written by Hossam Amin, a top Iraqi official who was supposed to work with weapons inspectors. The document, written to Qusay Hussein, one of Saddam’s sons killed by US forces, said that biological weapons were destroyed in 1991 after the Gulf War. “Whatever its desire,” the Post wrote, “Iraq did not possess the wherewithal to build a forbidden armory on anything like the scale it had before the 1991 Persian Gulf War.”
That assessment was coincidentally seconded this week by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. In a 111-page report, the endowment concluded that while Saddam Hussein’s desire for weapons was a “long-term danger that could not be ignored or allowed to fester unaddressed,” the weapons program did not “pose an immediate threat to the United States, the region, or global security.” The report said that “administration officials systematically misrepresented the threat from Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapon programs and ballistic missile programs.” On the restarting of a nuclear program, the endowment said, “Iraq’s nuclear program had been dismantled and there was no convincing evidence of its reconstitution.” On the supposed ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, frequently alluded to by the Bush administration, the report said: “The most intensive searching over the last two years has produced no solid evidence of a cooperative relationship between Saddam’s government and Al Qaeda.” On weapons inspections, which the Bush administration repeatedly trashed, the report said: “Nine months of exhaustive searches by US and coalition forces and experts suggest that the UN inspection teams were actually in the process of finding what was there.” The report also left the door open as to whether the US intelligence community had been unduly influenced by White House pressure as the administration escalated its anti-Saddam rhetoric. The report said “it strains credulity” to believe that White House actions “did not create an environment in which individuals and agencies felt pressured to reach more threatening judgments of Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs than many analysts felt were warranted.” As the Post story and the Carnegie report drive home how much the White House lied, the administration has shown a major card of knowing it will never find any truly threatening number of weapons of mass destruction. The New York Times reported this week that a 400-member military weapons inspection team has left Iraq. Defense Department officials said the team left “because its work was essentially done” and that “they picked up everything that was worth picking up.” That is a haunting statement. If they had picked up anything worth a war, we would have heard about it a long time ago.
Another false alarm for the foreign fighters of the “coalition” forces in Iraq…
‘No blister agent’ in Iraq shells
Three dozen mortar shells uncovered in Iraq earlier this month had no chemical agents, the Danish army says. It is not clear why initial tests first showed they could contain blister gas, the Danish army said in a statement carried by the AP news agency. The 36 shells were found in southern Iraq buried among building equipment, even though they appeared to have been abandoned for at least 10 years. The US-UK coalition launched the war in Iraq over arms banned by the UN.
maybe he hid them in syria you know.
Well, they are admitting they have no proof of that as well, now.
Rice: No Evidence Iraq Moved WMD to Syria](http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/100709.php)
but there is the possibility..
reason enough..no?
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but there is the possibility..
reason enough..no?
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There is more than enough possibilties, and proof in the last nine months that the foreign occupiers told complete and utter lies.
No?
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There is more than enough possibilties, and proof in the last nine months that the foreign occupiers told complete and utter lies.
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ofcourse. but we're talking about attacking other countries. you cant bomb your own behind. even bush knows that.