Time will tell or Time will plant?
Don't be surprised when Garner himself finds the WMD.
Fortunately, most of us are not that gullible or stupid.
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Time will tell! But, posters on this board were claiming that any evidence found would be planted before the US ever set foot in Iraq!
Peace To All Who Read This...
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If you want to disprove those claims then why don't you allow the UN inspectors back into Iraq to verify Iraqi weapons?
This takes the cake for one of the most hypocritical (and therefore revolting) statements this week. i hope we all are mature enough to realize the glaring hypocrisies coming forth from the lips of Jack Straw. If finding banned weapons in Iraq is “irrelevant”, then why on earth did you invade this sovereign country and stuff us with lies about the supposed armageddon-like arsenals Iraq possessed ???
Finding banned weapons in Iraq irrelevant, British official claims, Steven Edwards
National Post, 26 April 2003
Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary, lashed out at critics yesterday for claiming the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was necessary to justify the U.S.-led invasion.
Mr. Straw said they were twisting the facts and suggested the coalition’s failure to uncover illicit weapons in Iraq was irrelevant.
Several legal analysts and defence experts agree with his assessment, pointing out the most recent UN Security Council resolution on Iraqi disarmament said nothing about having to find weapons.
…] Mr. Straw’s outburst came after Robin Cook, who resigned his Cabinet post in the British government to protest the war, claimed failure to find banned weapons would destroy the war’s legitimacy.
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Mr. Straw said they were twisting the facts...
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...all while his guys were...
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...pointing out the most recent UNSCR on Iraqi disarmament said nothing about having to find weapons. ...
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...because they can't find them!
Precisely, Spoon. i just do not comprehend - who exactly is twisting facts around here ? 
i am almost tempted to think Jack Straw must have been a bit intoxicated when he made those statements. How else would he have been so hypocritical and uttered such ridiculous comments.
Jack Straw for those who don't know is slightly more stupid than he actually looks.
He's very well known for making u turns and changing his views like the British weather.
Whenever his back is against the wall, that's when he panics and drops the whole Labour party in it with his outbursts.
Finally, if you ever hear him talk, he's permanently got the flu and sounds blocked up.
^ LOL :D
Thanks, Sholay, was not aware of that. i am not certain why - i am so darn naive, i could kick myself. i actually expected a degree of more common sense from Jack Straw, at least something that did not sound as though it was coming from a member of the US administration. Expected him to have a bit more common sense. How transparently hypocritical this issue of WMD has become! And how easily they twist the public perceptions, after they have committed an invasion of a sovereign country and after thousands of civilians have already died.
Jounalist backs up claims of Ricin in Terror Camp in Northern Iraq
Lest we forget about THIS piece of intelligence that proved to be true!
The tests used by this journalist are the same test kits used by the UN weapons inspectors. This is the camp where Journalists were taken days after Powell’s speech in the UN, and told the camp was “clean”. The testing of soil samples from the area proves otherwise:
MSNBC.COM CONDUCTED the tests over a two-day period at Sargat, an alleged terrorist training camp a mile from the Iraq-Iran border. MSNBC.com purchased the test kits commercially. The field tests, developed by Osborn Scientific Group in Lakeside, Ariz., are regarded by some experts as very effective and have been used by U.N. weapons inspectors and federal government agents around the Sept. 11, 2001, attack site in New York City.
The Sargat camp, set back in an isolated valley and surrounded by snow-capped peaks, was home to the radical Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam, which counts among its some 700 followers scores of al-Qaida fighters.
In a Feb. 5 speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell showed a satellite photo of the Sargat camp and described Ansar al-Islam as “teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other poisons.” U.S. officials have repeated the allegations in recent weeks.
In an operation timed to coincide with the war on Iraq, U.S. special operations forces have targeted Ansar al-Islam’s militants in northern Iraq. Hundreds of Islamists, including al-Qaida fighters who took refuge in northern Iraq after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, have been killed.
Although U.S. officials for months have leveled charges that the Ansar al-Islam and al-Qaida militants were producing poisons in northern Iraq, it wasn’t until this week that specialist U.S. teams were able to gain access to the Sargat camp to test for traces of biological and chemical weapons.
Experts believe the Islamic group was producing the substances in the camp. Both toxins can be created from everyday products and simple procedures.
TERRORISTS TEMPTED BY TOXINS
MSNBC.com’s samples of ricin and botulinum, two deadly biological agents, were taken from the soles of a boot and a shoe recovered from the Sargat camp. The facility has been flattened by several Tomahawk cruise missiles, fired as part of the U.S. campaign against Ansar al-Islam.
The thick rubber boot twice tested positive for ricin, a toxin derived from castor beans. Ingesting a pinch of ricin, which causes shock and respiratory failure, can kill a human being within 72 hours. There is no cure.
A mile from the Iran Iraq border? Well aint this guy smart. Maybe left over from the war in the 80s? Well 90's really. You never know really. From what i know this stuff just doesnt disapear.
Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary, lashed out at critics yesterday for claiming the discovery of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was necessary to justify the U.S.-led invasion.
My my the cat is out of the bag now.
US testing Iraq chemical find
The United States is testing materials found in Iraq that may have been used in the manufacture of chemical weapons, the Pentagon has said.
Officials say it will be several days before they have results.
They would not say when or where the materials were found, but a US television station reported that 14 unmarked drums had been found near Bayji, about 210 kilometres (130 miles) north-west of Baghdad, on Friday.
The Pentagon announcement came as hospital workers in Baghdad said at least 12 people had been killed by explosions at an ammunition dump on the edge of the Iraqi capital.
US military officials also said they had detained General Hossam Mohammed Amin, the former head of Iraq’s arms monitors and the six of clubs in the US “most wanted” playing card deck.
Correspondents say it is hoped that he will be able to provide details of Saddam Hussein’s weapons programmes as well as an insight into the regime’s inner circle.
‘False positives’
America’s ABC News reported that US chemical weapons specialists had tested a suspected mobile weapons laboratory.
Initial tests showed the presence of a nerve agent and a blistering agent, but the Pentagon remained cautious about the find.
The materials are being sent to the US for more comprehensive testing. The tests performed in Iraq can give false positives because similar chemicals are used in pesticides.
At least two previous suspected chemical weapons discoveries have turned out to be harmless.
But the barrels found at Bayji were near missiles and gas masks, making the US more suspicious. US forces escorted an ABC news crew to the site… excerpt
So in my studies here at Guppy University, I am learning that this report is either propaganda or the chemicals are for pesticides. I guess we want know until the results of testing in the U.S. come out. In which case I am sure that if it’s bug killer we will just forget about the missiles and gas mask found with them. If the chemicals are deemed weapons grade I suppose that it’s propaganda,planted or the U.S. lab just doesn’t know what they’re doing. Any predictions?
Re: US testing Iraq chemical find
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Officials say it will be several days before they have results.
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My advice, come back in "several days". How many times do we have to go through this? Wait until there is something definite.. then we can go into the next stage of disproving you. :p
Iraqi Inspections Liaison Surrenders
Mon Apr 28, 8:07 AM ET
By LOUIS MEIXLER, Associated Press Writer
BAIJI, Iraq - The Iraqi chief liaison to U.N. weapons inspectors surrendered to U.S. forces Sunday, as American troops performed further tests on a metal drum that initial readings suggested contains nerve agents and mustard gas.
Lt. Gen. Hossam Mohammed Amin — No. 49 on the U.S. list of the 55 most-wanted figures from the regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), the six of clubs in the deck of fugitive playing cards — was taken into custody in Baghdad.
Capt. Kellie Rourke, division battle captain with the 101st Airborne Division, said Amin surrendered to soldiers of the division’s 2nd Brigade and was taken to the international airport for questioning.
Also known as Hossem Mohammed Amin al-Yasin, he was among the key figures in Saddam’s weapons programs. He would be expected to have detailed knowledge of any illegal armaments and where they might be found, if they exist.
Meanwhile, a dozen suspicious 55-gallon drums were found propped up with gravel in an open field near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji. Preliminary tests performed at the scene indicated one drum might contain the nerve agent cyclosarin and a blister agent that could be mustard gas, U.S. troops said.
But more tests were being conducted. **By design, initial test procedures favor positive readings, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. **
The New York Times quoted Capt. Ryan Cutchin of Mobile Exploitation Team Bravo — one of the specialist teams deployed in Iraq (news - web sites) — **as saying further testing by his unit had shown that the barrel’s contents were not chemical weapons. He also said that initial suspicions that two vehicles at the site were mobile chemical laboratories had proved wrong. **
There was no immediate comment from U.S. Central Command in Doha, Qatar, about the report, posted on the Times Web site Sunday.
Nothing new… for everything “breaking news” wait for a few days to be sure that it really was true.
There are hundreds of sites to be tested.
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There are hundreds of sites to be tested.
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What happened to those sites which were being shown as irrefutable and conclusive prove to the UN by the lying secretary of states less then two months ago. Why have those sites not been tested and if so, why have the great invaders not declared the results as yet. Are they afraid their lies will be exposed?
In the past, pre-1998 when UN inspectors were going from site to site there were occasions when they (the UN teams) would be delayed by Iraqi forces while Iraq trucks would escape out the back way of suspected sites, the UN actually has videotape of this happening. The Iraqi regime had a system to clean up and wipe down facilities where chemicals were once hidden, now that the regime is dead it's only a matter of time before the coalition forces find where those weapons were hid last, mostly likely with Iraqi help.
Experts Believe Positive Tests for Chemicals Were Wrong
N E A R B A Y J I, Iraq, April 28 — Two days of tests which identified dangerous chemicals in more than a dozen 55-gallon drums found in Northern Iraq appear to have been wrong.
:hehe:
:rolleyes: Jeez. Where’s Powell’s smoking-gun evidence now?
Straw: quick WMD finds ‘unlikely’, The Guardian, 28 April 2003
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...Where's Powell's smoking-gun evidence now?
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he was smoking.