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What are thought to be chemical weapons are currently being tested Changez.
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Still being tested? its 04-14-03 now!
Found any "WMD" yet? :)
How right the UN and the international community was...what LIARS the US-UK terrorists have been exposed as.
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Found any "WMD" yet? :)
How right the UN and the international community was...what LIARS the US-UK terrorists have been exposed as.
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have patience have patience they WILL find WMD that I am sure of. the only place they will never find WMD is NK and I am willing to take bets.
Be patient. No editing of these posts when they do find them, ok? Oh, that’s right they will have been planted by US. 
Y’know.. this is like the movies.. when you go to see a big hit movie, it’s billed as the last in the series or whatever.. and it’s a good movie, but when you get to the end.. well, they kinda left it open for another sequel…
Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction Could Still Reach Terrorists, Pentagon’s Top General Says](http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGABL8Q9LED.html)
Now the American’s are becoming desperate in their search for “WMD” in Iraq…
But in a sign of America’s desperation, the Pentagon announced that it would offer a reward to any Iraqi who can provide information about banned weapons. A Pentagon official told AP that the US would pay up to $200,000 for information on the whereabouts of leaders from Saddam Hussein’s regime and its hidden weapons.](Raid on laboratory of 'Dr Germ' fails to turn up the smoking gun | World news | The Guardian)
Why would you find this “desperate”?
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Why would you find this "desperate"?
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Coz from WMD to Al-Qaeeda connections to liberation, when neither cut the cake back to square one.
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Why would you find this "desperate"?
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Because US's original stance was that it had all the information on WMDs, but after the invasion it has been unable to locate those WMDs. Now to prove to the world that Iraq really has WMDs, "someone" has to show US where those WMDs are otherwise it will be a BIG TIME failure for US if WMDs are not found.
the U.S. didn't now exactly where WMD were as they can be moved around. Investigations take time, asking for help from the locals isn't desperate, it would be foolish not to.
Rumsfeld: Bioweapons May Be Hard to Find
Rumsfeld: Bioweapons May Be Hard to Find
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By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
WASHINGTON - The U.S. military’s search for chemical and biological weapons is unlikely to succeed until Iraqis lead American forces to them, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.
“I don’t think we’ll discover anything, myself,” Rumsfeld said at a town hall-style meeting with Pentagon (news - web sites) employees.
“I think what will happen is we’ll discover people who will tell us where to go find it. It is not like a treasure hunt where you just run around looking everywhere, hoping you find something.”
U.S. troops have found suspicious chemicals and facilities at a number of sites but tests on the materials have proved negative or inconclusive. Eliminating such weapons was a chief reason President Bush (news - web sites) gave for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) that began March 20.
A Defense Department employee asked Rumsfeld what could be done so the United States would not be accused of planting any chemical or biological weapons that might be discovered. Rumsfeld said he believed such charges are likely and there is little the United States can do to avoid it.
Only in the past few days, Rumsfeld said, have enough weapons searchers arrived in parts of Iraq where U.S. intelligence indicates chemical or biological weapons could be found.
“The teams have been trained in chain of control, really like a crime scene,” he said. “That will not stop certain countries and certain types of people from claiming, inaccurately, that it was planted.”
Appearing with Rumsfeld was Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, who cautioned against thinking that the fall from power of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s Baath Party rule means the war is over.
“I wish I could say that we’re winding all this down, but I can’t,” Myers said.
Rumsfeld made a similar point.
“The war is not over,” he said. “We know that. There are still pockets of resistance, shots are still being fired and people will still be killed. And as we gather here people are still fighting in Iraq and elsewhere.”
U.S. and British ground troops are struggling to stabilize Iraq and track down Baath Party leaders, but the air campaign that helped unravel Iraq’s defenses is all but over.
As a result, more of the air power used against Iraq is leaving the region.
A second Navy aircraft carrier departed the Persian Gulf on Thursday, leaving only the USS Nimitz battle group on station in the Gulf, defense officials. Both the Navy and the Air Force are bringing aircraft home to allow pilots and crews a respite after one of the most intense air campaigns in history.
The USS Constellation, on its final overseas mission before going into a scheduled retirement, left the Gulf Thursday, one day after the carrier USS Kitty Hawk departed for its homeport in Yokosuka, Japan, said the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Two other carriers that participated in the air war from positions in the eastern Mediterranean — the USS Harry S. Truman and the USS Theodore Roosevelt — are going to alternate on port visits in the Mediterranean but not head home yet, the officials said.
The USS Carl Vinson, which took the Kitty Hawk’s place in the Pacific in February, is making a port call in Guam but is to return to the vicinity of Japan and remain while the Kitty Hawk is repaired in a Japanese shipyard, officials said.
The Pentagon said the U.S. death toll from the war in Iraq rose by one to 126. It did not release any information about the most recent death. Three American service members are listed as missing — one Army soldier and two Air Force pilots.
In addition to those killed, 495 Americans have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon.
“Some are going to recover very quickly; others are going to have to live with their injuries for the rest of their lives,” Myers said. “They’ll never escape the pain in some cases or, perhaps, regain lost opportunities this conflict has brought upon them.”
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world should understand american’s motives by now that this war was never about WMD / liberation of iraqis. it was about OIL, which they have now and nothing matters anymore. slowly but surely they are distancing themselves from all of hype they created before and during the war and now are putting most, if not all, of the emphasis on iraqis to help them in finding the WMD. i’m sure search will go on for months. and in the end, one of the two things will happen:
1 - either world will totally forget about iraq and its WMD
OR
2 - due to international pressure [if any] american’s will plant a few WMD in iraq to shup every one up 
Re: Rumsfeld: Bioweapons May Be Hard to Find
Lest anyone forget, this is a very rough rundown on what was said - one of the many stunning visuals Powell introduced during his presentation to the UN Security Council, on 5 February 2003, as he was trying to justify an illegal invasion against Iraq:
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These were Powell’s comments corresponding to this picture: “This is one of about 65 such facilities in Iraq. We know that this one has housed chemical munitions. In fact, this is where the Iraqis recently came up with the additional four chemical weapon shells.”
This is Rumsfeld, 17 April 2003, after the invasion: “I don’t think we’ll discover anything, myself.”
This is Powell, 5 February 2003, before the invasion: “One of the most worrisome things that emerges from the thick intelligence file we have on Iraq’s biological weapons is the existence of mobile production facilities used to make biological agents. …] We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails.”
:rolleyes: And then people wonder why there is so much distrust of the US govt.
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Are saying it's not even a possibility WMD exist in Iraq? Do you trust Saddam that much or just so full of contempt for the US your mind is closed?
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I missed it, what part of the post exhibits reaons to distrust?
Approximately one month prior to the invasion, Powell stated that “We have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails.” Fair enough. This was 5 February, about two and a half months ago.
There was another post someone had posted earlier (exactly a week ago) in which it had been stated the US was providing a reward for information leading to Iraq’s alleged arsenals of WMD. If the US administration possesses “first hand” descriptions of Iraq’s biological weapons facilities, then i am not certain i understand what American soldiers are waiting for. Go to it, go to those weapons factories, go to all the sources Powell so painstakingly described in his 5 February presentation, all the pictures of weapons factories, and broadcast the whole shebang on CNN.
Why are Iraq’s bioweapons so challenging to locate on 17 April, when (if we go by Powell’s presentation barely 2.5 months ago), Iraq had a veritable toxic soup of WMD - factories galore everywhere ? Why are they so hard to find today, when “firsthand descriptions” were describing them two months ago?
Good points Nadia, and to think that these weapons were a “Direct and immediate threat to the United States of America”. So direct and immediate I must say
The ‘direct’ and ‘immediate’ threat is in them not existing, a worrisome scenario for the Bush administration to say the least.
No doubt when they are 'found' they'll have a hard time selling the lie, p*ss-poor planning.
Or as I would remind my class-fellows the 7 golden P’s;
Prior preparation and planning prevents a p*ss poor performance.
What part of "firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories **on wheels and on rails" makes them stationery items that are in the same place they were when last reported? Iraqis have been hiding these things for years. He hid them successfully for 4 years until someone ratted him out in 1995. So what is so bizarre about this taking a few weeks?
Rumsfeld said today that they don't expect to find the weapons, but to find people who can tell them where they are. Do you think US forces who were still fighting a full-fledged war a week ago and who is now responsible for law and order has time to search all of Iraq and every possible buried spot?
Can we give it a little time before we judge and condone with insults like liars, hypocrits, distrust, etc? At least on this issue?
No back in your hole.
Simply doesn't cut it around here Semi, where are they..this was the whole pretext of the war...not securing the oilfileds as you would have us believe. Or killing innocents as has been amply demomstarted.
The weapons were the reason for invading a sovereign state, the US had boasted about knowing the whereabouts from day one and were constantly reminding us of the fact that they existed by putting gas masks on dogs in central park.
So simply saying give it time...months, years...an imperial empire or two doesn't cut it.
I guess when (ok, if) they find them, you already know that they have been planted?