Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
So ... that is all. To connect demands of TUQ and Imran with Musahrraf is just like anyone starts connecting spread of AIDs in Africa and America with corruption of Nawaz and Zardari. :)
Who knows!!! nayeen! :D
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Bhai, aap kiya kar saktay hain jab koyie murgee (chicken) ko kahay kay yea Shark (fish) hay?
To connect demands of TUQ and Imran with Musahrraf is just like anyone starts connecting spread of AIDs in Africa and America with lies, corruption and nepotism of Nawaz and Zardari.
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Yup, I kind of agree when the red part
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Why don't you write it down step by step for rest of population who can't see it how it will unfold.
The PML N has agreed to their demand for electoral reforms. The main demand is the resignation of the PM, with the understanding that new elections will be held which would then bring IK to power with the help of the establishment. Failure of the PM to resign and fizzling away of the people at the dharna could then lead to stage 2 of general strikes and shutter down across major cities of Pakistan, with the situation becoming so bad that the establishment is "forced" to step in and take control to "save" the country. If NS accepts establishments demands then stage 2 can be avoided and IK and TUQ would have to walk away with nothing, and have to wait until 2018 before thinking about becoming PM. In any case PM has been weakened, establishment has exerted itself, in the process it has rehearsed its plans and can fine tune the script to be used again as and when needed with more potency. NS would remain under pressure from establishment for the rest of his term.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
but but but..... how is Mushy saved?
Did Hamid Mir predict the attack on himself, and ban on Geo in that video?
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
The PML N has agreed to their demand for electoral reforms. The main demand is the resignation of the PM, with the understanding that new elections will be held which would then bring IK to power with the help of the establishment. Failure of the PM to resign and fizzling away of the people at the dharna could then lead to stage 2 of general strikes and shutter down across major cities of Pakistan, with the situation becoming so bad that the establishment is "forced" to step in and take control to "save" the country. If NS accepts establishments demands then stage 2 can be avoided and IK and TUQ would have to walk away with nothing, and have to wait until 2018 before thinking about becoming PM. In any case PM has been weakened, establishment has exerted itself, in the process it has rehearsed its plans and can fine tune the script to be used again as and when needed with more potency. NS would remain under pressure from establishment for the rest of his term.
Bhai do not lie and try to spread propaganda. :)
Imran is not demanding that Thug Nawaz should resign with understanding that new election be held that should bring Imran in power … neither Imran or TUQ has backing of army or establishment. Only mentally retard cannot understand what Imran and TUQ is demanding and only retard would say that their demands are not just.
TUQ if demanding FIR, what not only Punjab session and High courts have also ordered, but it is basic right of all Pakistanis. It is now TUQ secondary demand that election reforms should be done.
Imran demands are straight forward, that is, free and fair election under neutral supervision, that can be formed with satisfaction of all parties contesting election, plus, to stop any gunda-gardi at polling stations, army men should be present with clear order to shoot trouble makers or anyone intimidating voters.
Remember, in Karchi by-elections and constituencies where election was not held, army men was present inside and outside the polling station so that no intimidation or trouble happens.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
but but but..... how is Mushy saved?
Don't worry nothing is going to happen to Musharraf, everybody will just go through the motions, and if things look to get worse then there is plan B ready to be put in place. They couldn't convict AZ so not much chance of conviction of Musharraf.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Bhai do not lie and try to spread propaganda. :)
Imran is not demanding that Thug Nawaz should resign with understanding that new election be held that should bring Imran in power … neither Imran or TUQ has backing of army or establishment. Only mentally retard cannot understand what Imran and TUQ is demanding and only retard would say that their demands are not just.
TUQ if demanding FIR, what not only Punjab session and High courts have also ordered, but it is basic right of all Pakistanis. It is now TUQ secondary demand that election reforms should be done.
Imran demands are straight forward, that is, free and fair election under neutral supervision, that can be formed with satisfaction of all parties contesting election, plus, to stop any gunda-gardi at polling stations, army men should be present with clear order to shoot trouble makers or anyone intimidating voters.
Remember, in Karchi by-elections and constituencies where election was not held, army men was present inside and outside the polling station so that no intimidation or trouble happens.
Did you see the video of Musharraf stating on public record that IK had "demanded" 90-100 seats from the establishment?
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Did you see the video of Musharraf stating on public record that IK had "demanded" 90-100 seats from the establishment?
So he became angry with Mush
Just like now , he is angry with everyone for same reasons
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Don't worry nothing is going to happen to Musharraf, everybody will just go through the motions, and if things look to get worse then there is plan B ready to be put in place. They couldn't convict AZ so not much chance of conviction of Musharraf.
so what you are saying is you have no clue how these marches are related to saving Musharraf then... mucho gracias.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Did you see the video of Musharraf stating on public record that IK had "demanded" 90-100 seats from the establishment?
Yea, I saw the interview, but I do not know if you understood what Musharraf was saying.
What Musharraf was saying is that Musharraf was looking for PMLQ electoral alliance with other parties … itself shows that Musharraf 2002 election was not rigged, else Musharraf would not have cared for electoral alliances, neither his party would have been minority party and thus needed help of other parties (plus forward blocks in PPP) to form government.
In electoral alliance, parties withdraw their candidates in favour of their electoral alliance parties. So, what happens is that, parties get seats to contest election on basis of their standing, strength and possibility of how many seats they can win without alliance.
Musharraf political agents (at that time, ISI was under him) told Musharraf that PTI has supports in around 5 constituencies. So, Musharraf offered PTI 10 seats to contest election unopposed by alliance parties (something that was good concession). But PTI start demanding 100 seats. That means, to accept PTI demand, other parties who had much bigger support than PTI should be given none or much fewer seats, so Musharraf did not agreed, and thus alliance broke down.
That is all.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
If you had studied history then you would have enough knowledge to acknowledge your own ignorance. Real knowledge it to know the extent of one's ignorance.
wow very insightful, i found the similar message in my Chinese cookie. Was that part of script also? Go back, edit your post about thinking it was ok to attack any one house, due to difference of opinion before your start passing judgement on ignorance, until than you are on ignored list. :)
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
so what you are saying is you have no clue how these marches are related to saving Musharraf then... mucho gracias.
I know how they are related by I cannot be bothered spoon feeding at this this time of the night. Maybe tomorrow I shall enlighten you further.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
Yea, I saw the interview, but I do not know if you understood what Musharraf was saying.
What Musharraf was saying is that Musharraf was looking for PMLQ electoral alliance with other parties … itself shows that Musharraf 2002 election was not rigged, else Musharraf would not have cared for electoral alliances, neither his party would have been minority party and thus needed help of other parties (plus forward blocks in PPP) to form government.
In electoral alliance, parties withdraw their candidates in favour of their electoral alliance parties. So, what happens is that, parties get seats to contest election on basis of their standing, strength and possibility of how many seats they can win without alliance.
Musharraf political agents (at that time, ISI was under him) told Musharraf that PTI has supports in around 5 constituencies. So, Musharraf offered PTI 10 seats to contest election unopposed by alliance parties (something that was good concession). But PTI start demanding 100 seats. That means, to accept PTI demand, other parties who had much bigger support than PTI should be given none or much fewer seats, so Musharraf did not agreed, and thus alliance broke down.
That is all.
Imran Khan wanted 90-100 seats, the establishment was mean't to accommodate him somehow in their pie. They chose not to accommodate him, because that would have mean't less seats for other coalition partners.
Just remind me how many seats did he actually win in 2002? When he stated that the country was behind him and he deserved 90-100 seats.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
wow very insightful, i found the similar message in my Chinese cookie. Was that part of script also? Go back, edit your post about thinking it was ok to attack any one house, due to difference of opinion before your start passing judgement on ignorance, until than you are on ignored list. :)
I am not attacking you, I am making a factual statement. Things that seem far fetched to you, if you study history then you will know are possible and happen all the time. I am always learning new things, but to learn things you have to unlearn your misconceptions and biases first.
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
It is not surprising , many like Hamid well aware and experienced understand the 'tariqa e wardat' ,even thinking of the local and international players .
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
It is not surprising , many like Hamid well aware and experienced understand the 'tariqa e wardat' ,even thinking of the local and international players .
are you suggesting uncle that given your experience of understanding tariqa wardat, you were also aware of this whole dharna drama beforehand?
Re: Hamid Mir predicted Azadi and Inqilabi marches in 2013.
are you suggesting uncle that given your experience of understanding tariqa wardat, you were also aware of this whole dharna drama beforehand?
No I was not , I am not so wise even not so aware . But as my Pakistan is concerned , I understand that the most trouble here are from insiders and the CIA .