Hamas Leader killed / World condemns Israel (MERGED)

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This parapalegic was going around prescribing god's rationale for blowing up kids in a pizza parlours. Now he is closer to god. Amen!
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From what it seems like, israel could give two hoots how many kids are blown up. The way they're going about it, if nothing else, violence is def. gonna increase and if you think Israel doesnt know that, then please, think again. You'd think they'd care enough for their future to save thier own skins atleast.

To assassinate and not expect retaliation is the height of naivety. I dont believe Israel is naive, therefore this act is nothing but sheer provocation, endangering the lives of the common Israelis and Palestinians. Another dirty trick by Israel to divert attention from the real issues period.

I read an article today by an Israeli columnist. He stated that Sheikh Yasin was the moderate force within the Hamas circle. His death means that unrestrained violence will be unleashed, similiar to the scenes that happened in 96/97 after the assasination of another Hamas leader. According to him, Israel just signed its own death warrant.

i simply cannot imagine the desperation and frustration that Palestinians feel. I mean this guy was blind, deaf and wheel-chair bound and he gets FOUR missiles from the sky. Mind you, not a bullet but missiles! And he was coming back from Fajr. Didn't that dude Goldstein also kill Muslims during Fajr prayer?

I don't feel a reflexive hatred towards Jews at all but these sort of acts totally justify the feelings of hatred that Arabs and Muslims have. If you can see him, why not kidnap the guy and take him to court and put him on a public trial, with lawyers and what not? If they speak the language of violence, what other recourse to the Palestinians have? This is just so mind-numbing. Both parties are completely insane. This was a STUPID move by Sharon but knowing his past, one can't be too surprised. The Arabs have no power and no recourse, this is like watching a man without hands trying to eat, stunningly sad.

The fat on Sharon's body is really
hindering his ability to think clearly. There are certain
boundaries you do not cross and killing religious
clergies of any religion is one of them. Seriously
is he stupid or is he stupid. I'm sure this action would
really help innocent people continue sitting in their
homes or cafes by the window, sipping hot cocoa
and admiring the view outside peacefully. IDIOT!

the dude's legs were hanging in the grave anyways.. it was time for new fresh blood to take over. quit mourning about it. it wasnt like he was preaching peace in the first place. to let ur 14 year old go commit bomb sucide in the name of religion, when its really more political, is just insane. a true muslim wud have taught his followers tolerance and peace.

okay, go ahead and declare ur fatwa on me now.

**So according to your theory
every person who's 'legs are hanging into the grave'
anyway should be killed. Yeah that would include all
the old grandpas and grandmas walking around including
your relatives of such age as well. Even if it was political
he was revered moreso as a religious clergy then a politician
by the whole of Middle East and not just Palestine, otherwise,
you wouldn't have seen demonstrations and cries of outrage
throughout the Muslim world. You don't kill persons a religion
or race holds in high regards specially in the name of achieving
peace because that's the last thing it will achieve.

Tolearance and peace ha!
What would you and I know of tolerance and peace sitting
in our air conditioned homes and cars. It's easy to teach
what you wouldn't have been able to preach had you been
in the given circumstances. And no Fatwas aren't declared
on insignificant everyday people/things.
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Inna-Lillahi-Wa-Inna-Ilahi-Rajioun
he was simply Gr8 :(

Hey Everybody

I'm back.

....and this time it's with a vengence!

So watchout. You know who you are?

Peace.

Nice read…

Israel’s Fatal Blow

by David McReynolds

Israel’s action in assassinating Sheik Ahmed Yassin early Monday is one
more nail in the coffin of any possible peace process, and, as time and
events may show, a nail in the coffin of Israel itself..

Israeli spokespersons have pointed out the involvement of Sheik Yassin in
a range of bloody suicide bombings, which claimed so many Israeli lives,
most of them civilian. The fact that the Sheik was a quadriplegic and in
no position to personally throw a bomb, hardly exempted him from moral
responsibility for Hamas, of which he was the spiritual head.

However Israeli spokespersons - and the Western media - have not noted
that Hamas was supported in its early days by Israel in hopes of
undercutting Arafat and the PLO. Nor have these spokespersons explained
why, if they had the power to engage in an “extra-judicial murder”, they
could not have arrested the Sheik and tried him in a court of law.

I have said for some time that Israeli actions have been, almost
consistently, acts of folly, giving Israel short term benefits and leaving
them with a long term disadvantage. (This goes back a very long way, to
the Israeli support for the French side in the Algerian war, and the
Israeli/French/British action in invading Egypt when Nasser took over the
Suez Canal. . . which has resulted in the Arab world seeing Israel as a
colonial power, and seeing it as a direct threat to national sovereignty
of surrounding Arab states).

In the short run Israel has strained US/Israeli relations, which is fine
by me, but not what Israel desires. And in the short run there will be
some flurry of random attacks which are not likely to do much damage to
Israel. But, in part because Israel is, relatively, militarily secure, one
must expect that the irrational furies unleashed by Israel will have a
fall out in Western Europe and elsewhere, where Palestinians and their
supporters will seek vengeance on innocent Jews far from Israel. This is
not to the benefit of Jews anywhere, but it will increase the degree of
anti-Semitism, which is flowing not from the historic roots of Christian
anti-Semitism, but from the much more recent Muslim anti-Semitism.

(Let me anticipate my critics - yes, after the creation of Israel there
was a wave of expulsions of Jews from Arab states - but prior to that, for
many centuries, the Muslim countries had a better record of providing a
safe haven for Jews than Western Europe).

Internally, within Israel, Sharon’s action may be of some immediate
political benefit to a Prime Minister facing corruption charges, but
surely wiser heads within Israel must realize that they have removed one
of the few leaders among the Palstinians who could have made a cease fire
work. Apologiists for Israel often ask, sometimes sounding sincere, “we
would love to negotiate - but with whom can we negotiate?” Leaving aside
the fact that present Isreali leaders have no interest whatever in
negotiations, the bitter reality is they are eliminating those who would
have had credibility if they had been any negotiations.

Israel depends for its survival on something more important than its
“invinceable” military machine - it depends on some respect for law in -
that is, some sense that it was created by valid legal processes. If it
seems to be an illegal state, world support for its survival will sharply
diminish. Any nation as tiny as Israel needs friends - and friends that
can offer more than the tainted friendship of the United States, which has
little control over Muslim feelings and actions.

Yet Israeli actions - ranging from the massacre at Jenin to the illegal
wall being constructed to the present extraordinary extra-legal murder of
the religious and political leader of Hamas - undermine not only public
sympathy for Israel, but also undermine the sense that the State of Israel
is legitimate. (Israel’s defenders argue that Jenin wasn’t a massacre and
I can only wonder why the bulldozing of a part of Jenin, and the killing
of dozens of civilians, doesn’t count as a massacre, but if half that
number are killed by a suicide bomber in Israel it is a massacre?)

Israel, and its defenders in the US, will use any rise in Anti-Semitism to
defend any actions Israel takes and to condemn any critical discussion of
Israel as anti-Semitic. (I find myself in the odd position of being
considered an anti-Semite because I’m sharply critical of Israel, and a
Zionist apologist because I’m not critical enough.) The fact is that
Israel today and its actions, are much more directly responsible for a
rise in deep hostility to Israel than any efforts by old-fashioned
anti-Semites. And those actions that offend a community of world opinion
are the shooting of children, the murder of militants, the building of
walls on Palestinian territory, and the determined effort by Israel to
bypass any real discussion toward a peaceful settlement.

The logic offered for the criminal act today is that Israel wants to
withdraw from Gaza, and the murder of the Sheik and the continued
heavy-handed military “intrusions” and killings in Gaza are a way of
showing that when, suddenly, one early day in summer, all the Israeli
tanks and troops unilaterally withdraw, it will be seen as a victory. I
don’t know what psychological world Sharon lives in, but it isn’t, I
believe, a real world. No matter when and how Israel leaves Gaza, the
murder of a religious leader beloved by the Palestinians (and hated by
Israelis) will echo through the years to come.

For us on the “ground” in the US, we need to do three things.

  1. Never to forget there are good and decent people in Israel who work and
    live for peace, who have risked a great deal for peace, and that this is
    also true of Jews in the United States, many of whom are deeply committed
    to peace. It is not Jews that pose a problem - it is Israel.

  2. At the political level raise the demand for an end of all US military
    and economic support for Israel. Bring this issue into the political forum
    everywhere.

  3. Change the dialogue so that when we discuss states that have weapons of
    mass destruction, we include Israel, which has a substantial stockpile of
    nuclear weapons, and insist that any plans for international inspection
    must include Israel.

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Double standards brought to the fore again. As long as the Muslim (and non-Muslim) just huff and puff but do not act , like Malaysia did many years ago by boycotting trade with Britain until the Brits came crawling on their knees to apologies and be forgiven, we will not get anywhere. The response does not have to be military. Economic will do.

"10 QUESTIONS JACK STRAW NEEDS TO ANSWER

Mar 24 2004

By Bob Roberts

FOREIGN Secretary Jack Straw was accused of hypocrisy yesterday over his condemnation of the killing of Sheik Yassin.

Lib Dem foreign affairs spokes-man Sir Menzies Campbell said: “Many people in the Middle East say the West is prepared to go to war to protect interests in Iraq but do not even contemplate action to protect Palestinians.”

Here are the 10 questions Mr Straw must answer:

HOW can you dare call for a “calm response” in the Middle East? It was the Iraq War which further inflamed the region, driving thousands of young Muslims into the arms of al-Qaeda

WHY complain the killing was “outside international law”? The legal grounds for the Iraq war were at best dubious.

DOESN’T Britain also back the “targeted killings” you condemned? America has a “dead-or-alive” order out on terrorist leaders and British troops are actively pursuing it.

IF Israel’s actions are “unacceptable and unjustified” when are you going to stop selling them arms?

WHY haven’t you also criticised America’s tacit support for the attack? The White House only said they were “troubled” and did not condemn it.

IF the attack is “unlikely to achieve its objectives” what are you doing for peace? The Government has been absent from efforts to move the process on.

HOW will you stop Yasser Arafat being next? Britain has done no more than ask Israel not to target him.

ARE you going to impose economic sanctions on Israel? You threatened sanctions on Third World countries not doing enough to fight terror.

DIDN’T you promise backbenchers the Iraq war would make the Middle East safer?

DOESN’T the killing of Yassin also make Western leaders, including George Bush and Tony Blair targets for Islamic fundamentalists?"

An Eye for an eye.....the old testament....enough said i guess.

Terror only breeds more terror, never peace. Both sides are wrong, but the palestinians are simply pathetic for what they do to their own children.

Soldiers find bomb on 10-year-old’s cart
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/405061.html

Palestinian boy, 14, got NIS 100 to blow up at IDF roadblock
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/408359.html

Imdad

If you went over and volunteered, then the children wouldn't need to strap on. What you say hey?

In love and war, everything is permissable.

Sell out.

Sholay,

So why aren't you over there blowing yourself up?

Sellout.

Imdad

Because I didn't label the Palestinians as pathetic fighting for their occupied country, nor do I think anything wrong with their tactics and neither do I think the sun shines out of Bushes a--! Which is something you've testified to time and time again on this Forum.

What goes around comes around. Your patriotic past is just catching up with you my son!

Never mind, nobodies perfect.

Sholay, what in the name of God are you talking about?

Brave palestinian freedom fighters are paying poor children money to strap on bombs. Are you proud of your freedom fighters now? They say that israelis don't care about the lives of palistinian children. Well it appears neither do the palestinians!

Reminds me of a quote that was similar to this one,

When the Palestinians love their children more then they hate Israeli's is when peace will be achieved.

There is no question that the Palestinian people have suffered for over 50 years but guns and bombs will gain them nothing more but dead children and spilt blood.

Why are the Palestians fighting? Is it for revenge? Is it to destroy Israel? Or is it to have a land that they can call their own? 2 of the choices are hopeless and will end with blood and leave no hope for the future generations. The other is just the opposite. That choice achieves something real, it gives something to the future generations and can be fought for and won without any bombs.

What are the Palestinians really fighting for?

The Likud party in Israel does not want the Palestinians to have a state. Two of the three options assure that that does not happen while the third causes it to happen.

Who are the Palestinians really fighting for?

U.S. Vetoes U.N. Council’s Yassin Measure

U.S. Vetoes U.N. Council’s Yassin Measure

By CHRIS HAWLEY, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - The United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution Thursday condemning Israel’s assassination of Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin.

U.N. Human Rights Body Condemns Yassin Assassination
(AP Video)

The veto came after Algeria, the resolution’s sponsor, rejected a U.S. demand that the measure also condemn violence by Hamas and other militant groups by name.

The resolution “is silent about the terrorist atrocities committed by Hamas,” U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte said before the vote. He called the measure “unbalanced, one-sided.”

“Israel’s action has escalated tensions in Gaza and the region … but events must be considered in their context,” Negroponte said.

Critics said the veto condoned Israel’s policy of assassinating militant leaders.

The vote, which followed days of debate, was 11 countries in favor, three countries abstaining, and only the United States against.

Yassin, the spiritual leader of Hamas, was killed in a missile strike Monday morning in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites). Israel has warned that all other leaders of the group could be targeted.

Hamas has claimed responsibility for dozens of bombings and shootings of Israelis during 3 1/2 years of violence. Israel says it is targeting the group’s leaders to stop such attacks, but critics say killing suspects without arresting or trying them violates international law.

On Wednesday, the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva voted 31-2 to condemn Israel for Yassin’s death, but the body has no power to punish countries. A resolution by the Security Council would have carried more international weight.

The 11 Security Council members who voted for the measure were: China, Russia, France, The Philippines, Angola, Chile, Pakistan, Spain, Algeria, Benin and Brazil.

Britain, Germany and Romania abstained.

The vetoed resolution condemned Yassin’s death and called for a “complete cessation of extrajudicial executions.” It also condemned “all terrorist attacks against any civilians as well as all acts of violence and destruction.”

However, it did not mention any militant groups by name — a traditional U.S. demand.

Only five members of the Security Council — the United States, Russia, China, Britain and France — can veto the body’s resolutions. Thursday’s veto is the United States’ 79th and the latest in a long string of vetoes regarding Israel.

The Soviet Union and Russia have cast the most Security Council vetoes over the years, 121. Britain has cast 32, France 18 and China, 5.

Well maybe the abcve stories are not as the zionists would have you believe. I don’t know which version is correct, but the zionist like to have this holier-than-thou attitude wrt life and children but reality on the ground is they do not care how far they go, as long as it achieves their aims.

"Israel ‘fabricated’ child-bomber story

Palestinian leaders have accused Israel of fabricating a story about a 14-year-old Palestinian boy who planned to blow himself up.

In an interview with Aljazeera.net, Shahin accused Israel of seeking to justify slaughtering Palestinian children by spreading the false impression that they are used as human bombers.

“Their [Israel’s] goal is to besmirch Palestinian childhood so that when they slaughter the children, the world won’t feel sorry for them,” he said.

Arab Knesset member Muhammad Baraka has also voiced “serious doubts” about the veracity of the Israeli narrative.

“I have very serious doubts about the whole story. I can’t give the Israeli army the benefit of the doubt.”

“I don’t completely rule out the possibility that some evil person gave him the explosive belt and told him he would become a hero … but this is a very tiny possibility.”

Khiwairah said the Israeli army had a history of “fabricating and concocting stories” for the purpose of vilifying the Palestinians and winning public relations points.

A few weeks ago, another boy from Nablus, Muhammad Kuraan, made headlines when the Israeli army presented him to the media as a child who had been dispatched to blow himself up at an Israeli roadblock.
However, when the boy returned home, he reportedly told his family and relatives “Jews told me to do this or else they would kill me.”

According to a spokeswoman for the East Jerusalem-based Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (HRMG), the Israeli army and paramilitary Jewish settlers have killed 263 Palestinian children from age 0-14 and 236 minors from the age of 15-18 during the ongoing Intifada.
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Awam ki Awaz you might want to tell the mother that as she admits it was her son.

They have used children in the past as well.

WAKE UP!

These terror organizations use these people as pawns as they have for the past 50 years.

It's time for some type of leadership to stop the violence, be it Arafat or whomever and do what is best for the people.

typical of them to massively capitalise on palestinian stupidity in order to further strengthen their ridiculously ironic stance of moral superiority.

bottom line, what forces palestinians to go and blow themselves up? what fosters that culture of desperation and death where people aspire to make a statement with their lives and end up as ammunition, in their eyes for their cause, but sadly, for the Israeli PR machine.

dont tell me its feckin religion, we're all Muslims here, and atleast I work and interact with jews everyday. I never feel compelled to become a bomb.