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If anything children become like the mother, and always pick up what their mothers teach them. True they are their fathers kids at the end of the day, however influence wise and everything is from the mother. We were brought up in my mothers traditon and not my fathers.
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You guys are right a lot of kids do end up following their mothers culture but I just feel the father has more right to have them follow his ways, like I mentioned it's like the tribe or family name, it's traced through the fathers side.
It's common sense really, even the BNP know this much, once they were proposing about deporting us foreigners back to our countries of origin, somebody asked them what will they do if a child is mixed race, they said he will be considered what his/her father were.
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in Islam, heaven lies at the feet of the mother, no? If the emphasis is placed more on the mother, not as much on the father then why is the mother's culture and ethnicity disregarded?
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I just had to reply to this as I am a ghori married to a pakistani. My dh's famiy treats me like dirt, and always called our kids half-caste, but they're all in a hurry to get married to them, coz of the good old US passports.
I def. don't agree with the kids being whatever the father is, and if you look back this is not always historically the case. A few Arab tribes are matrilineal, with ppl claiming descent through the mother. And anyone who is claiming to be a Syed is doing so on the basis of relationship through Prophet's daughter, Fatima.
Children are the product of both of their parents, and neither side should be given preference over the other - Ranjhan - you sound like my in-laws.
BTW, if the father's side should have preference islamically, then the mother would not keep her name after marriage. Even custody favors the mother's side. If somethings happens to the child's parents, custody first goes to the mother's mother, then her sister, and so on, and to the father's family last.
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I agree, in Islam the mother is worthy of far more respect and honour than the father and paradise lies beneath her feet, I don’t mean no disrespect to mothers or women, all I’m saying is in every society I’ve known lineage is through the father and it was the custom of the Prophet (sallaho alaihe wassallam) and all his companions to be named after their fathers, it is from the Sunnah that people will be known by their own name and the name of their father in Paradise, the only exception is Prophet Jesus (alayhis salaam), Ibn Maryam who is named after his mother because he didn’t have a father.
I suppose ethnic idenitity is different from tribal idenitity.
This is an unimportant issue anyway, I see no point in arguing over it, language is probably the criterion of ethncicity, I don’t know, who cares? Nationalism is gay.
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No one's arguing, i'm just wondering those things there...
What is the diff btw ethnic/racial identity and tribal identity?
In Islam, I think nationalism/cultural pride is a sin because they end up doing things that go against Islam... fked up pakis/arabs will kill their daughters for premarital sex/rape even though there is NOTHING in our religion that supports such a practice...and even just mundane things that nobod thinks about, like celebrating Christmas or Valentine's day are un-Islamic as well..
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amana - if i was your inlaw i bet youd be one of my favorites!
the mom has a bigger impact on the kid than the dad, cus even tho my mother n i dont get along theres stuff about me and they all came from my mother. shes obsessed w/ trader joes and organic/ non-hydrogenated oils stuff, eating healthyn sadly im kinda like that. i get so disgusted when i go to a all u can eat desi party n people fill up their plates n it like 1/2 of it, or when i see a 2 year old w/ a pack of doritos.
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^ I bet you would be a cool in-law :) The wasting food thing drives me insane! I spent a summer volunteering at a food bank, and saw people who ate one meal a day, and we were always scrounging to keep food on the shelves. The worst is during Ramadan and on Eid days, our masjid has iftars and breakfast prepared, and the fatties are always pushing to the front of the line, while those who really need it are lingering at the back, and by the time they get to the food, most of it is gone. I have seen ppl who are not well off divided a kefta into 5 pieces so that they could all have some, while fatty aunty in the front has 3 or 4 left on her plate that she's throwing in the trash - sickening.
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its nasty. someone once told me you can tell alot about a person from the way they eat of a dastakhan
