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why not? the guy looks like hes having fun
He doesnt look funniiiiii 
Look at those mustaches :o
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Cres, you mention Maple Lodge, I don't buy their meats heard they can't be trusted...thanks for clarification, but still there are many who buy their meats.. :(
Is Safa trusted?
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Okay... I happened to watch a muslim 'qasai' slaughter an animal.
He used such a blunt knife that I could see the animal screaming with pain of that blunt knife being rubbed back and forth at its' throat. It took quite many seconds to actually slaughter that animal.
I have heard if any unnecessary pain to the animal is involved, that is NOT a halal way of slaughtering.
Do all the muslim qasais make sure of not causing pain to the animal while they slaughter those animals? How can we be sure that the animal whose 'halal' meat we are eating was not caused any pain?
Cres, you mention Maple Lodge, I don't buy their meats heard they can't be trusted...thanks for clarification, but still there are many who buy their meats.. :(
Is Safa trusted?
Yes sadly Maple lodge is not following shariah, but due to that, they can sell "halal" chicken for DIRT CHEAP prices. THis is why the muslim ummah in toronto is so reluctant to embrace HMA or any other halal method. The Ummah needs to be educated on this matte.r
Al-Safa as far as i know, do follow Shariah methods of slaughtering.
Ambassador: You are right, according to islamic law, an animal cannot be in pain, you cant even show the animal the Knife you will use.
So, what is the Islamic view on “Plagiarising” stuff or showing stuff without reference to where it was taken from as if it was written by the poster himself?
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dont shoot the messenger :p
Yeah, the people of the book aren't the same as they used to be in the Prophet pbuh's time.
1) and your argument thus is that Allah did not know how the 'people of the book' are going to be in 1400 years?
2) the argument is very weak btw, if you look at chrsitians from that very era, you will see that they were not doig some sort of zabeeha by and large anyways.
This is our own analysis, rather amusing that interpretation and analysis becomes okay as long as it makes things more puritanical.
Allah could have specified the first time around, and secondly, mufti desai and others going on about the ahle-e-kitab approach to slaughter an animal, should really go back and read up..do we really think that chritians in rome were slaughtering zabeeha style?
the verse explicitly states that eating meat prepared by ahle kitaab is allowed. what are the verses before or after that verse? do they put conditions as such?
looking at another verse in a different part of the quran and then making these two mutually dependant on each other seems to assign a cryptic nature to faith that is only to be understood by gate keepers, and thus seems contrived and artificial.
I dont buy it.
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Al Qurano Yofassirahu baadahu baa'ad is a famous line used in all Fiqh books which means part of quran explains the other part...
Everywhere in Quran, Iblees is refered to be in the jamaat of angels but at only one place, he is refered to as only one in that jamaat who was from Jinns... seems like the same argument to me...
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both statements are correct in tat case right. or are we saying that in one pace it is wrong.
if we go with the argument that ahl e kitab are not the same today as they were then, aside from being a completely ridiculous statement especially when you look at how christians in europe slaughtered animals even back then, it would also make us wonder whether muslims today are the same as the muslims then,
and then will you buy meat from a shia, sunni, ahmedi, ismaili etc? considering certain scholars from one school of thought have declared the other group wrong, kaffir, mushrik and what nots?
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Both statements are correct and together they complete the context of the matter, IMO.
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So each statement independently is true as well.
one without the other does not become false.
and using this example in context, the two statements about food of ahle kitaab are accurate on a standalone basis as well, right?
Thank You
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My understanding is still the same that zabeeha of people of the book is equivalent to zabeeha of a muslim so long as both conform to the method prescribed by God in the divine revelations (Torah/Gospel/Quran)...
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You guys maybe interested in visiting this site. It sheds light on the Shariah method of slaughtering and the Western StunGun method.
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teggy, these days, many muslims countries are practising the stungun method of slaugheering the animals and many muslim get their animals 'slaughtered' in that way on Eid (I do not mean to say that is really a 'halal' way).
And the shariah method of slaughtering an animal is exactly the same as kosher way of slaughtering the animal. This is regardless of the fact that, these days, there are hardly any places where the animals are, actually, slaughtered the 'halal' way, i.e; as per the teachings of Quran and older scriptures. I mean just saying 'Allahu Akbar' and scrubbing the knife to kill the poor animals cannot be 'halal', IMO.
I mean just saying 'Allahu Akbar' and scrubbing the knife to kill the poor animals cannot be 'halal', IMO.
Here is the basic guidelines to do Zabeeha (Slaughter) of allowed animals in Islamic Halal way:
Facing the animal towards Qiblah (turning its face towards qiblah when the animal is on the ground, that is - in case of camel, it's a bit different because camel has to be in standing position)
Using an extremely sharp knife, slit the throat cutting the jugular vein while uttering the words from the mouth (not the recorded one): "Bismillah-e-Allahu Akbar"
--- Make sure to utter these words individually on each animal if there are many in the line to be slaughtered...
No Rocket Science really.
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Infact, I would go as far as saying that the Kosher method of slaguhtering is much more of a stricter version 'halal' way of slaughtering because in Kosher, the meat which had any contact with the skin or the blood of the animals has to be disposed off because that becomes unhygienic, hence, non-kosher. On the other hand, how many times do we dispose off any meat that has been in contact with the animal's skin or blood? We just wash it off, cook and eat away. Whereas, that meat, as per the Kosher standards, would become unhygienic or non-kosher.
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Interesting ... so you are using the term non-kosher in lieu of un-hygenic?
when it is meat and it is washed, it is hygenic.... basic science.