You assess the whole scheme from any aspect, what comes out is
sheer inability of the state of Pakistan to play its cards skillfully
Incompetence of the ISI to identify potential threats to the national security
and
Inability of the Pakistan Army to neutralize 'clear and present dangers'
Religion, education, economy and politics — the building blocks of a society — appear to be remarkably shaky in our county because from a commoner on a street to rulers in the corridors of power, we are a clueless people.
Pakistan's Afghan policy has already destroyed the country, I dont know why the military is hell bent on continuing their failed policies.
Pakistan's Afghan policy has already destroyed the country, I dont know why the military is hell bent on continuing their failed policies.
When you know that you cannot stand or survive on your own, you tend to find crutches — proxies in our case. Be it Kashmir where the fight was outsourced as jihad to furloughed jihadists, instead of launching a sustained political and diplomatic offense, or Afghanistan in the quest for strategic depth, again something that should have been done in-house, the duties were clearly not rendered properly by any concerned authority.
Weren't like 90% of you people saying a few days ago that the TTP were all home grown? Seems they are getting funding and support from Afghanistan which likely includes India. Yet you all blame Pakistan anyway. Even after the very news sources you so love to quote state it is not a home grown problem.
So, I guess Pakistani army including you should wear chooriyan and dance in weddings because 'oh jee, it is raw mossad khad who are funding ttp our work is done'.
As for ttp, who is the one that is always propagating that they are our 'bhais', misguided as they may be, who decided to attack the land of milk & honey after Pakistan decided to attach itself to WOT. Never mind the fact that this became "our war" when Taliban & AQ decided to jump the border into Pakistan.
Hakimullah is thought to be in hiding, fearful of a drone strike like the one that reportedly killed his deputy in May.
The best part of this report. One can see the how these drones are effective. yeh "maut ke saudagar" Allah se to nahin dartay lekan drones se zaroor dartay hain.
So, I guess Pakistani army including you should wear chooriyan and dance in weddings because 'oh jee, it is raw mossad khad who are funding ttp our work is done'.
As for ttp, who is the one that is always propagating that they are our 'bhais', misguided as they may be, who decided to attack the land of milk & honey after Pakistan decided to attach itself to WOT. Never mind the fact that this became "our war" when Taliban & AQ decided to jump the border into Pakistan.
Yes, much more than you do apparently. No one has said, perhaps barring right wingers and Imran khan, that army shouldn't do targeted operations against Taliban. They should be surrendering to us not the other way around.
I know Imran likes to harp about Britain, because no one knows better in Pakistan, but british army was deployed all the way to the end in Northern Ireland and british intelligence did infiltrate IRA. The only difference is that the Brits are loyal to their country and didn't make excuse that what IRA was doing was "a-ok", while many Pakistanis, hopefully not the majority, are loyal to anything but Pakistan. Tell me, why should Pakistan give two flying f*(ks about central Asians that cause havoc here and elsewhere or even Taliban when the akhrots decided to cast their lot with bin laden. I never see Imran saying that we should have deployed army, fc and police to interdict Taliban who fled Afghanistan into Pakistan with their allies basically making us another Laos and Cambodia.
Yes, much more than you do apparently. No one has said, perhaps barring right wingers and Imran khan, that army shouldn't do targeted operations against Taliban. They should be surrendering to us not the other way around.
I know Imran likes to harp about Britain, because no one knows better in Pakistan, but british army was deployed all the way to the end in Northern Ireland and british intelligence did infiltrate IRA. The only difference is that the Brits are loyal to their country and didn't make excuse that what IRA was doing was "a-ok", while many Pakistanis, hopefully not the majority, are loyal to anything but Pakistan. Tell me, why should Pakistan give two flying f*(ks about central Asians that cause havoc here and elsewhere or even Taliban when the akhrots decided to cast their lot with bin laden. I never see Imran saying that we should have deployed army, fc and police to interdict Taliban who fled Afghanistan into Pakistan with their allies basically making us another Laos and Cambodia.
If you did you would understand the parallels created between the TTP insurgency and the Afghan insurgency. It would automatically make sense. More so it would explain what ever the Pakistani military government does will be insignificant unless the external support of an insurgency is dealt with. The past 13 years are a perfect example.
To dumb it down for you, what Pakistan has does to Afghanistan and NATO for the past 13 years is now being done to US. That shows how difficult this situation is.
For the love of God Northern Ireland was not an example of counter-insurgency. That is a horrible example.
I am bringing Northern Ireland because that is exactly what Imran brings as an example of what should be done like political talks. He never goes beyond that because he knows that people can poke holes into it.
It is not that far off since Ireland and people as far as America (irish descent in boston, for example) were financially funding the IRA. Taliban can either tax people or do extortions (people have posted threads of that) in Karachi / Islamabad etc or they would need some outside funding be it direct like Afghanistan or indirect through opium, kidnapping etc. The main gist of the matter is that the british people and the establishment there took charge of the situation while Pakistanis and their politicians / army are doing cuckoo cuckoo like an ostrich and assuming that bs'ing would make the problem disappear.
Ah typo. What Pakistan has done to Afghanistan and NATO for the past 13 years is now being done to Pakistan. That is the element everybody is missing. If NATO can't take on the Afghan Taliban due to Pakistani support, sanctuaries and so much more, there is no way Pakistan can do the same.
I am bringing Northern Ireland because that is exactly what Imran brings as an example of what should be done like political talks. He never goes beyond that because he knows that people can poke holes into it.
It is not that far off since Ireland and people as far as America (irish descent in boston, for example) were financially funding the IRA. Taliban can either tax people or do extortions (people have posted threads of that) in Karachi / Islamabad etc or they would need some outside funding be it direct like Afghanistan or indirect through opium, kidnapping etc. The main gist of the matter is that the british people and the establishment there took charge of the situation while Pakistanis and their politicians / army are doing cuckoo cuckoo like an ostrich and assuming that bs'ing would make the problem disappear.
What Imran Khan says is irrelevant. I didn't bring him up. I didn't say anything with regard to what he said. I was very specific in my comments. They were with reference to the delusions that posters here have and the inability to understand the basic principles of COIN.
The thing is that NATO / US / ISAF could wind up tomorrow and do a "zero option" on troops, with the right to bomb the hell out of anything moving if there is an attack on the west. Can Pakistan do the same in Pakistan? Even Taliban now say that they regret accommodating bin laden with his fantasies of bleeding America, which in turn actually meant for Taliban to lose control of a country they had had 90% of in control in mid-2001.
Again not relevant. That is not what the TTP says. The TTP has openly allied itself with Al Qaeda and is getting funding, supporting and areas for training and sanctuary in Afghanistan.
Any person with basic COIN knowledge knows that Pakistan does not have the military hardware, training or expertise to deal with that.
What is the purpose of such a big army and all that spending if it is so useless? I'd say that Pakistan just spend money on nuclear weapons and their safety and fire all these batman and their sir jees for being useless after a decade of war.
