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Let me get this straight. You are actually saying its okay for the US to appease the Taliban?
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^^^ Are Pakistanis occupying Pakistan? Goras were never going to stay there permanently.
...And you think Pakistanis are bothered to fight this war for another decade?
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I am happy , a very close friend of mine was probably the first SWATi Target of these barbarians , he nearly died , spent the next 3 months struggling for his life in an Hospital , ....and today as a consequence he is a Living dead .... Period , not only his , but his whole families life is ruined ..... Period.
..if anyone has read my iLogs then Ilm Din is a living and real person .
... should nuke all Talibans , after all we have a precedence , Kharjites , they too were ruthlessly eliminated by the STATE , these Barbarians are no different , don't ever forget the Khoni Chowk Mingora , where for years , daily 2-3 or a dozen or more beheaded corpses were hung .... and on daily basis by these Barbarians ....... Lets go all out , we have already paid a price of over 50,000 innocent non combatant , and unarmed civilians who were bombed unaware by these beasts ....and i am not counting the Law enforcing personals ..
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like the public has any say in stopping or authorizing drone strikes.
Statement of Islamic Emirate regarding the martyrdom of Mullah Hakimullah Mehsud
With great sadness we have learned that yesterday the leader of Pakistani Taliban, Mullah Hakimullah Mehsud, was martyred as a result of a cowardly US drone attack, surely to Allah we belong and to Him is the return.The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan condemns this barbaric and unlawful attack by America. We consider the martyrdom of Mullah Hakimullah to be a great loss and offer our heartfelt condolences to his family, relatives and friends. Muslims consider martyrdom a lofty objective and we all strive to achieve this status. If America believes that by martyring Mujahideen they will somehow create a void and reach their selfish aims then they are greatly mistaken.The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan also calls upon the Government and the people of Pakistan to take all steps necessary in order to stop these barbaric and illegal American attacks so the innocent people of Afghanistan and Pakistan, suffering from these brutalities, can free themselves from the evil of America and determine their future destinies without outside interference.*
*The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
28/12/1434
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When Baitullah Mehsud met a richly deserved fate at the robotic hands of a US drone, I remember feeling relief, joy and gratitude. At long last, the man who had brought so much death and suffering to Pakistan had been killed. At long last, there was a victory in the grim and debilitating struggle against the Pakistani Taliban. Predictions were made that the TTP would now sunder and splinter, leading to its eventual eradication.
That didn’t happen, and I fear it won’t happen now in the aftermath of Hakimullah’s killing. Decapitation operations such as this do not work in isolation. They did not work with Baitullah and nor did they work in the case of Nek Muhammad. Each time, the TTP regrouped, reformed and came back more vicious than ever.
It didn’t work in Iraq either. The killing of Al-Zarqawi in 2006, though heralded as a breakthrough at the time, has done nothing to curb the activities of al Qaeda in Iraq. They returned, more dangerous than ever, and fuelled by regional conflicts that seem to have no end.
The factors that fuel Pakistan’s own war against terror will not end either, and though it is human to feel a large degree of satisfaction at the death of the mass murdering Hakimullah Mehsud, that joy should be tempered with a very rational caution, a terrible feeling of foreboding.
That’s because the hydra that is the TTP cannot be defeated by cutting off a single head; its very body must be burned and we ourselves must carry the torch that does so. The fact that it takes a foreign power to remove our own enemies is a matter of shame indeed. Worse, it further muddies the waters to the extent that both the bait and the hook are invisible.
Thanks to the deceitful narrative the state has fed us on the drone program – another in a long series of own goals by the establishment – the possibility of a Pakistani military operation supported by drone strikes is impossible. Thanks largely to the anti-drone propaganda disseminated by the state, its proxies and many political parties, such an unlikely scenario would be the ultimate proof in many eyes of an unholy collaboration between Pakistan and the US, thus providing even more grist – and recruits – for the militant mills. Thus it does not matter if the attack was, as is speculated, coordinated by Pakistan’s own agencies. So long as the popular discourse on drones is not reset by the state, the end result will be the same: more fog, and more war.
The decision to talk or fight must be a Pakistani one. Whether we choose the long and painful route of military operations to rid ourselves of this menace, or we opt for the slow surrender of negotiations and legitimising an entity that craves complete dominance over us, it must be our own call. Whether we sink or swim in this sea of blood, it must be based on our own decisions. The death of Hakimullah Mehsud in a US drone strike takes away that choice. Worse, it gives some very dangerous narratives room to breathe and spread.
For the record, I do not believe for a moment that the TTP will give up its operations if drone strikes end. To believe this is, in my opinion, incredibly foolish. But it is not what I believe that matters, but rather that a large number of Pakistanis do seem to buy into this narrative. This is why it was important that peace talks be held, if only to fail in full public view, so that the final obscurantist fig leaf could be removed, and that erroneous worldview could stand naked and exposed before all.
But haven’t talks failed enough times in the past, one could ask? The answer is yes, however, the fact remains that a great deal of people, newly christened into their (albeit flawed) political awareness, remain unaware of those failures or simply refuse to believe them. Painful as it may be, they need to see the failure with their own eyes so that they can see that the blame lies with the TTP itself. Hakimullah’s killing negates that possibility.
This Hydra is more than capable of growing back even more vicious heads. By all accounts, the new TTP chief is considered even more brutal, even more bloodthirsty than Hakimullah. That’s saying something, considering that his predecessors would make the most prolific of serial killers look tame. There is, of course the hopeful view that ‘Sajna’ will not be able to exert the kind of control that Hakimullah did, that he will not be able to browbeat those factions that are, or so we hear, amenable to dialogue. This is perhaps wishful thinking, as the same was said when Baitullah was killed. Much is made of reports, however dubious, that there is infighting among the various TTP groups but to date, these cracks, if they even exist, have made no tangible difference and it is unlikely that they will do so now. After all, what guarantee can Pakistan, which could not even protect the Maliks and Lashkars that took up arms against the TTP, give to a breakaway faction in case of retaliation? None at all.
In any case, one must understand that the only difference between the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ Taliban is that the good ones will kill you last.
What is more likely now is that the TTP will more closely embrace its more extreme allies: al Qaeda, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and the Chechens. What is likely now is that they will seek even more support from those foreign powers hostile to Pakistan and happy to fish in these troubled waters, and there is no shortage of those.
If the death of Hakimullah is used as a jumping-off point for a comprehensive action against the Taliban – one that would include the use of force and propaganda aimed at splintering these networks – then we may see some progress. If our approach will, as in the past, be limited to hedging our bets and praying the monster under the bed will disappear then that will only lead to disaster. I hope for the best, but I fear the worst. You should too.
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I don’t when I hear PMLN, it feels like I am staring at a blackhole.
round and round and round circles leading you into absolutely nothing… l
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Don’t pay too much attention to this so called maulana, you really don’t want to follow someone who is lost himself. If I remember correctly he went to consulate (or meeting with US ambassador), came out drunk from that meeting and claimed that he was kidnapped :hehe:
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@capt. Count again lol
tasweer dekhoon ya count karoon? :D
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so the kuffar alliance in Afghanistan is running away because they won by “eliminating” them? if you can’t have the same fairness for Pakistan as you do for the kuffar alliance, then I don’t know who appointed you as a mod of a Pakistani forum.
the people can take decisions, just need a bloody revolt that’s all. which is coming…
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so the kuffar alliance in Afghanistan is running away because they won by "eliminating" them? if you can't have the same fairness for Pakistan as you do for the kuffar alliance, then I don't know who appointed you as a mod of a Pakistani forum.
the people can take decisions, just need a bloody revolt that's all. which is coming...
Do you think these 'maut ke saudagar' who are supported by Afghanistan and India, unleashed hell on the innocent people of Pakistan living in KP, Sindh and Baluchistan are any better? No such bloody revolt is coming. Drink ice cold lassi and relax.
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Good riddance
Sadly people of Pakistan esp. Peshawarites should brace themselves for revenge attacks over the coming weeks. More innocent lives will be lost - more dilly-dallying by the government - more drone strikes - more revenge attacks and loss of innocent lives. It is a vicious circle
ps. not saying drones are the only reason behind the vicious ideology of TTP and their like but they are certainly perpetuating the problem
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the people can take decisions, just need a bloody revolt that's all. which is coming...
i don't think so, people are fed up with the bloody dance of death going on in the country for the past 10 years. The situation can only normalize now, the terrorists have had their say.
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Allah SWT says in surah Al-Nisa:93, “But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment.” So if we believe - then killers of over 40,000 innocent Pakistanis should now be in their eternal abode of “hellfire”.
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^ well said.
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“It was the cowardice drone attack that killed the wicked TTP leader” Am I surprised with the statement? NO – But all Hakimulla’s attacks on over 40,000 Pakistanis have been open and blazon. He did not train children to carry out his nefarious activities of killing unarmed civilians. Not even mosques with prayer services were spared. Those are acts of chest thumping bravery! A vicious enemy came to his end. He died the way he chose to live. What goes around comes around.
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Forget mosques, even funerals were not spared
do you have enough courage to say the same about pak army and the west who have killed innocent people directly and indirectly?
lets see if u can prove urself.
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^^^ Weren't you the same guy who was mocking Malala & now you're crying over terrorists death? Oh, and remember, if you live in the west...NSA might be watching you ;)
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do you have enough courage to say the same about pak army and the west who have killed innocent people directly and indirectly?
lets see if u can prove urself.
Are you serious my friend? I am not sure where you got the wisdom of comparing a legal armed force of a free, recognized nation who sworn upon to defend the people of Pakistan, with the bunch of lunatic killers whose only incentive to kill innocents is so they can have sex with 72 virgins? This is the same army that is defending (right or wrong) the boundaries of your nation. It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda or anyone else who fought for us in 48, 65 and 72. It was this army who paid the price and got more blames and less credit for what they did. Its extremely shameful for me to compare our Majors and Captains and Jawaans with the jackass Meshud and his blind followers.
May he rot in hell
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Are you serious my friend? I am not sure where you got the wisdom of comparing a legal armed force of a free, recognized nation who sworn upon to defend the people of Pakistan, with the bunch of lunatic killers whose only incentive to kill innocents is so they can have sex with 72 virgins? This is the same army that is defending (right or wrong) the boundaries of your nation. It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda or anyone else who fought for us in 48, 65 and 72. It was this army who paid the price and got more blames and less credit for what they did. Its extremely shameful for me to compare our Majors and Captains and Jawaans with the jackass Meshud and his blind followers.
May he rot in hell
im sorry friend but pak army is not free from sins, they are humans just like you and I. doesn't matter if they've saved a million lives but if they have blood of one innocent, they will be questioned and SHOULD be questioned. after all isn't that the role of a democratic nation? let's not be hypocrites on this matter. my family have served since creation and still serve in the forces so no bias.
again ill state by highlighting the mistakes of pak army, i am not defending any action of a group(aka taliban) that targets innocent people.