Hagar: Abraham's bondmaid/slavegirl or wife?

[Miss_Noland]

@sa-Nafooz

well if u’d ave read the quote u’d understand why i said that:)
you said women contributed more than men, my belief is that women and men had an equal share in contributing in development and all.

that was pre-islamic era

No, it continued to happen after Islam came around. The point was women did not have the freedom they have today- at least in the West. Sex slaves had nothing to do with religion, it was culture. Women were literally OWNED by men.

i see u have a habit of assuming things lady. cool down and lets have a proper mature talk here. in discussions no one is attacking anybody, we just try to get our views across. peacefully i might add.
coming to yr post…i dont remember telling u am a ‘woman’..and if u read my post with a calm mind u’ll see that i have written the exact same thing u’re telling me now…women should stop complaining and blaming themselves and thinking low about themselves(taking themselves as inferiors thus allowing to be subjected to abuse).

we have records showing of great scientists mathematicians and all from ceturies where they made discoveries, wrote down theories and facts…they were respected…we had greeks, romans, arabs, and other asian scientists…try setting yr facts right here…i have studied science history and i know that there existed scientists throughout the different ages, yes some were executed and some lived.

i did not attack nor name any religion here..i will talk about religions but will never disrespect anyones beliefs, it’s against my beliefs…but yes when i said 1400yrs back women had more freedom i mean when after the coming of islam..and during those times women could do business, own land, get educated and if someone dared take this right of theirs from them, they were sure to get justice…all i see now in most places is that women are denied the right to own property, get eduacted and all…we see women fighting for tehir rights everyday…(shukran walhamdulillah now things are changing though and we see more women coming out and getting their rights)..

You mean they were respected by the religious folks as long as what they heard pleased them… When it threatened their beliefs, they were prosecuted. You had to study science history to figure out that there were scientists in every era, well good. I am glad you did.

[Miss_Noland]

@sa-Nafooz

just a curiousity…why do people only see women suffering in islamic countries??? does it mean women who live in non-islamic states are not women? or not worth the considerations?

we have women suffering in africa, us, uk china, india, and loads of other places:bummer:…why not talk about them?..they are humans as well…they get beaten up too, they too are expected to stay home and cook…it’s totally unfair not to think about them and their sufferings, they too are humans just like any other woman living in an islamic state

Because this is about religion and Islam specifically. When people preach Islam to be the awesomest most peaceful religion then they should be prepared to hear the opposing views. You can only blame so much on culture, religion does play a role in mistreatment of women.

[sa-Nafooz]

@Miss_Noland

No, it continued to happen after Islam came around. The point was women did not have the freedom they have today- at least in the West. Sex slaves had nothing to do with religion, it was culture. Women were literally OWNED by men.

well u better read my previous posts ‘carefully’…and come on u either are acting to be ignorant regarding facts or u really dont knw anything…in both cases it’s just no use discussing it…(not until u knw some basic stuff, and are prepared to hear ‘opposing’ views)

@Miss_Noland

You mean they were respected by the religious folks as long as what they heard pleased them… When it threatened their beliefs, they were prosecuted. You had to study science history to figure out that there were scientists in every era, well good. I am glad you did.

no, i mean exactly the same thing i have written in my posts excluding yr ‘extras’ in it…and good thing i read science books innit? atleast i know what am talking abt, otherwise i too would be saying that there were no scientists during that time

@Miss_Noland

Because this is about religion and Islam specifically. When people preach Islam to be the awesomest most peaceful religion then they should be prepared to hear the opposing views. You can only blame so much on culture, religion does play a role in mistreatment of women.

well so far i have tried explaining things, i may not be learned to give proper answers but yeah i am prepared to hear opposing views and tht’s why am writing all this:) (without taking it personally/getting offended)

[Miss_Noland]

@sa-Nafooz

well u better read my previous posts ‘carefully’…and come on u either are acting to be ignorant regarding facts or u really dont knw anything…in both cases it’s just no use discussing it…(not until u knw some basic stuff, and are prepared to hear ‘opposing’ views)

Lady, seriously! Where have I showed ignorance? Stop assuming I don’t know anything. What do I need to read carefully when all you said “no, it was pre-islamic era” and I simply replied no it wasn’t. Women do have more freedom now than they did before. Women have more rights now then they ever had before!

no, i mean exactly the same thing i have written in my posts excluding yr ‘extras’ in it…and good thing i read science books innit? atleast i know what am talking abt, otherwise i too would be saying that there were no scientists during that time

AND what is it that you are talking about? I don’t think you understood most of what I have said in regards to scientists here. I never said scientists didn’t exist 1400 years ago. seriously..I am really glad you read “Science” books.

well so far i have tried explaining things, i may not be learned to give proper answers but yeah i am prepared to hear opposing views and tht’s why am writing all this:) (without taking it personally/getting offended)

Good! First, you need to stop making assumptions about others and what knowledge they have.

[sa-Nafooz]

Re: Hagar: Abraham’s bondmaid/slavegirl or wife?

^no comments.
i better leave it to those who’re more knowledged than i am:)
may Allah alAzim, Lord and Creator of the universe, guide all of us on the right path. Ameen

[Obama]

@Nosherwan

Was Hajirah (pbuh), Ibrahim (pbuh)'s wife or bondmaid?

This subject was discussed in another thread…it seems the Christian and Jewish Scholars have called Bibi Hajirah an Egyptian Slave,

Muslim Scholars have recorded her as a princess from the house of The King of Ethopia.

and that she was married to Ibrahim (ES)!

I know every one will want to know the source of this knowledge.