Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
Agreed.
But at present zaghon kay tasaruf main hay aqabo ka nashaiman - 
Men who take pride in selling their fellow muslims brothers and sisters and who can not properly take revenge for the lost 24 men, * khair- *Lets hope for the best.
Waisay our duty is to follow orders if ALLAH has ordained qital on us at certain occasions then all we have to do is to do the hukum rest will come along inshallah.
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
Agreed.
But at present zaghon kay tasaruf main hay aqabo ka nashaiman - :( Men who take pride in selling their fellow muslims brothers and sisters and who can not properly take revenge for the lost 24 men, * khair- *Lets hope for the best.
Waisay our duty is to follow orders if ALLAH has ordained qital on us at certain occasions then all we have to do is to do the hukum rest will come along inshallah.
the ayah you quote is perfect example of preparing and right method to fight the enemies such as US military occupiers.
The pak army not our enemy they hate doing the dirty work of the americans belive me in my city we hear their complaints all time.
Our job is to get the muslim armies all of them from turkey, egypt, to pakistan and indonesia in the east to be on the side of islam and help the muslims then no one will be able to touch us!
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talking about world domination,
those who dont want to live peacefully with their brothers
who dont want to give justice to fellow countrymen
who cant get rid of their zahalat ,inhuman behaviour of killing like animals ,anybody who does not belong to their firqua.
who are not one in their galli mohalla
who are not honest with their countrymen,their neighbours
who blame others like yahudi,kaffir,nussara for their misdeeds
talking of holy book without following it
disgusting talk of world domination in twenty first century .
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
the ayah you quote is perfect example of preparing and right method to fight the enemies such as US military occupiers.
The pak army not our enemy they hate doing the dirty work of the americans belive me in my city we hear their complaints all time.
Our job is to get the muslim armies all of them from turkey, egypt, to pakistan and indonesia in the east to be on the side of islam and help the muslims then no one will be able to touch us!
I disagree. Even combined, these armies would have a hard time fighting against America. Their technology surpasses any other country's and the only reason Iraq and Afghanistan are a "conflict" is that Americans don't want to kill everyone. They could simply bomb countries until the entire infrastructure is destroyed and then clean up.
I believe in conflict resolution through peaceful measures (if possible) because America is far more powerful militarily than most other countries combined.
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I disagree. Even combined, these armies would have a hard time fighting against America. Their technology surpasses any other country's and the only reason Iraq and Afghanistan are a "conflict" is that Americans don't want to kill everyone. They could simply bomb countries until the entire infrastructure is destroyed and then clean up.
I believe in conflict resolution through peaceful measures (if possible) because America is far more powerful militarily than most other countries combined.
where was US technology in afghanistan and veitnam where did all the trillions of dollars get them in iraq?
when the islamic state is formed and the muslim countries fall like dominoes soon inshallah and form one bloc, no way US can touch the muslims.
turkey alone has 1 million army standing you think it will be walk in the park? i seen how they walking in the park in afghanistan some got one leg missing others got 2 arms missing, 10 years on the US is sitting ducks in afganistan.
My point would be how is America going to get access to muslim lands in first place since turkey would deny access to its airspace and the waters of the gulf would not be a free access anymore?
final point the US economy is on the point of no return and other players coming to the scene the rules of the game have changed.
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
I wouldn’t wait for human rights organisation it is on the muslims own shoulders to make the change so these kuffar can never come to our lands again and kill our people.
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
where was US technology in afghanistan and veitnam where did all the trillions of dollars get them in iraq?
when the islamic state is formed and the muslim countries fall like dominoes soon inshallah and form one bloc, no way US can touch the muslims.
turkey alone has 1 million army standing you think it will be walk in the park? i seen how they walking in the park in afghanistan some got one leg missing others got 2 arms missing, 10 years on the US is sitting ducks in afganistan.
My point would be how is America going to get access to muslim lands in first place since turkey would deny access to its airspace and the waters of the gulf would not be a free access anymore?
final point the US economy is on the point of no return and other players coming to the scene the rules of the game have changed.
I'm the first one to criticize America but you're delusional if you think that they used their full military potential in attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. They deployed soldiers to try to minimize civilian casualties, and to save money (soldier is cheaper than a bomb). Also, even the Americans would have a hard time selling the public on the idea of bombing entire countries back to the stone age.
In short, they didn't use their full potential because it would have been mindlessly destructive.
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Good old Justice American style.
I am wondering where are usually Red white and Blue pakistanis are like Med911 and Firz. They seem to have disappeared along with the notion of justice in the US.
Ghost they did use their full military potential. The US has always maintained it can fight two wars at once and frankly it has - that is why it did not take the lead in the NATO campaign in Libya. That is also why troops have done 4 or 5 tours of Afghanistan and Iraq. That is extremely high. They have over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. They had as much if not more in Iraq. That does not include 100,000 of US contractors who are ex-army or ex-special forces.
You can bomb a people to the stone age but those people are not the ones you can use to build a government that supports you. Chalabi is an example. They didn't bomb Iraq to the stone age out of the sympathy or good will. The decision was a political calculation.
What the hell do you think "winning the hearts and minds of the people" was for nearly 10 years? Bombing them to the stone age doesn't leave hearts and minds alive to win over.
If you believe it was their great humanity that stopped them, I got a nice plot of land on mars i wanna sell you.
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
Good old Justice American style.
I am wondering where are usually Red white and Blue pakistanis are like Med911 and Firz. They seem to have disappeared along with the notion of justice in the US.
Ghost they did use their full military potential. The US has always maintained it can fight two wars at once and frankly it has - that is why it did not take the lead in the NATO campaign in Libya. That is also why troops have done 4 or 5 tours of Afghanistan and Iraq. That is extremely high. They have over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. They had as much if not more in Iraq. That does not include 100,000 of US contractors who are ex-army or ex-special forces.
You can bomb a people to the stone age but those people are not the ones you can use to build a government that supports you. Chalabi is an example. They didn't bomb Iraq to the stone age out of the sympathy or good will. The decision was a political calculation.
What the hell do you think "winning the hearts and minds of the people" was for nearly 10 years? Bombing them to the stone age doesn't leave hearts and minds alive to win over.
If you believe it was their great humanity that stopped them, I got a nice plot of land on mars i wanna sell you.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. My point was that they can bomb the Afghans without ever having to set foot on their land, but they didn't for a variety of reasons. "Winning the hearts and mind" is just propaganda to justify their illegal wars.
If America and its people suddenly decide that it's in their best interest to annihilate the Afghans or the Iraqis, they could do significant damage. Their non-nuclear destructive technology is far beyond any other country's. My point is that they are not fighting wars of annihilation, but rather wars for control of the region. rommel's post suggest the former, and he/she seems to believe that countries like Turkey would stand a chance in such a war against America. This is why they sent troops in, rather than bombers. If they could do to the Japanese what they did in 1945, what do you think they're capable of today?
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There is a difference between how we perceive about a warrior and how he actualy perform in the battle field.
Sorry but your hero has failed in all wars specialy when he faced mujahideen.
In theory they can rain Nukes, but in practice they need pampers, how ironic :)
Don't get your panties in a bunch. My point was that they can bomb the Afghans without ever having to set foot on their land, but they didn't for a variety of reasons. "Winning the hearts and mind" is just propaganda to justify their illegal wars.
If America and its people suddenly decide that it's in their best interest to annihilate the Afghans or the Iraqis, they could do significant damage. Their non-nuclear destructive technology is far beyond any other country's. My point is that they are not fighting wars of annihilation, but rather wars for control of the region. rommel's post suggest the former, and he/she seems to believe that countries like Turkey would stand a chance in such a war against America. This is why they sent troops in, rather than bombers. If they could do to the Japanese what they did in 1945, what do you think they're capable of today?
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Don't get your panties in a bunch. My point was that they can bomb the Afghans without ever having to set foot on their land, but they didn't for a variety of reasons. "Winning the hearts and mind" is just propaganda to justify their illegal wars.
If America and its people suddenly decide that it's in their best interest to annihilate the Afghans or the Iraqis, they could do significant damage. Their non-nuclear destructive technology is far beyond any other country's. My point is that they are not fighting wars of annihilation, but rather wars for control of the region. rommel's post suggest the former, and he/she seems to believe that countries like Turkey would stand a chance in such a war against America. This is why they sent troops in, rather than bombers. If they could do to the Japanese what they did in 1945, what do you think they're capable of today?
You are delusional you never even answered the point about what happened to your invincible army in veitnam? what does it control in afghanistan after 10 years? and how they threw all their money into iraq and failed miserably.
If you saw what happened to iraq it was actually mindless destruction for small sample of this type fallujah war crimes for a quick reality check. I think you need to get out of the bubble called America and look what is happening in rest of the world.
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Bomb what to the stone age? They bombed half of Kabul to get the Taliban to leave. Entire residential areas. They nearly took out Rabbani with a bomb or two in 2002. Seriously where do you get this notion that they only used 2% of their might? They used more than 50% of it in Afghanistan and that included Special forces laser tagging targets, smart bombs, cluster bombs, you name it they used it.
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Bomb what to the stone age? They bombed half of Kabul to get the Taliban to leave. Entire residential areas. They nearly took out Rabbani with a bomb or two in 2002. Seriously where do you get this notion that they only used 2% of their might? They used more than 50% of it in Afghanistan and that included Special forces laser tagging targets, smart bombs, cluster bombs, you name it they used it.
A rewind of few decades it almost looks like a repeat of NoKo and Vietnam or what they say history repeats itself. In NoKo alone 8 million perished, US used every thing in its arsenal only short of nukes thanks to USSR threat of paying in kind or US is not a country that respects any laws or conventions/treaties. What US has done in Eyraq or Astan one can write volumes but than what's the point, some chose to live in denial.
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Bomb what to the stone age? They bombed half of Kabul to get the Taliban to leave. Entire residential areas. They nearly took out Rabbani with a bomb or two in 2002. Seriously where do you get this notion that they only used 2% of their might? They used more than 50% of it in Afghanistan and that included Special forces laser tagging targets, smart bombs, cluster bombs, you name it they used it.
All of these imply a level of restraint, don't you agree? America has non-nuclear bombs as powerful as any nuke but they won't use these types of weapons. I'm not justifying or defending what they're doing, just that America is not an "enemy" that can be defeated with military strength, as Rommel seems to think.
I want to see American influence shrink, and I think the way to do it is to encourage people who have views similar to Ron Paul's to speak out. That's my only point. If you think Muslim countries can band together and take America on in a military conflict, I guess that's your opinion.
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You are delusional you never even answered the point about what happened to your invincible army in veitnam? what does it control in afghanistan after 10 years? and how they threw all their money into iraq and failed miserably.
If you saw what happened to iraq it was actually mindless destruction for small sample of this type fallujah war crimes for a quick reality check. I think you need to get out of the bubble called America and look what is happening in rest of the world.
America "lost" in Vietnam, in the sense that they retreated, and that their own public turned against the government. If you check the casualties America easily "won". And that's my point. Politically they lost these wars, but if you compare casualties they won. There's a reason Iran won't declare war on them.
The way to beat America is through politics and diplomacy, not through military action. If you can't get that through your head then I wish you all the best in your Jihad.
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Casualties in a war dont necessarily mean that a country has won! If the Americans have lost 3000 odd soldiers in Afghanistan (by spending trillions of dollars), in reality they have control of some main cities, thats the reason why they are dying to negotiate an end to war. The war is in a stalemate with taleban still holding far more area as compared to the Americans although the Americans have superior technological weapons and they are fighting in the most backward of countries like Afghanistan and after 10 years of continuous war if they still have to negotiate an end, what does it tell you?
The hatred that these wars are generating for the Americans are far more, and they would have been more intense if the Americans tried to completely annihilate Iraq and Afghanistan. They would have created many more Iraq's and Afghanistan in the world. If America is a super power now it does not matter many have come and gone in our history.
Re: Haditha masscre US soldier gets 3 months prison for killing 24 unarmed civillians
Casualties in a war dont necessarily mean that a country has won! If the Americans have lost 3000 odd soldiers in Afghanistan (by spending trillions of dollars), in reality they have control of some main cities, thats the reason why they are dying to negotiate an end to war. The war is in a stalemate with taleban still holding far more area as compared to the Americans although the Americans have superior technological weapons and they are fighting in the most backward of countries like Afghanistan and after 10 years of continuous war if they still have to negotiate an end, what does it tell you?
The hatred that these wars are generating for the Americans are far more, and they would have been more intense if the Americans tried to completely annihilate Iraq and Afghanistan. They would have created many more Iraq's and Afghanistan in the world. If America is a super power now it does not matter many have come and gone in our history.
I agree with you. These are non-conventional wars, in which exterminating the last bit of resistance is extremely difficult. On the other hand, no country would win a conventional war (proper organized military) against America. Rommel is advocating for the latter, whereas I'm advocating for policy change and diplomacy.
My main contention was about how to "attack" America, and one of the reasons I advocate diplomacy is because I don't think America can be beaten in a head-on military conflict. Again, by head-on I mean, for example, Pakistan vs America, not the Taliban vs America. If America bombed the hell out of Pakistan, and the last bit of Taliban-like resistance eventually drove them out, I would consider it a Pyrrhic victory because all of Pakistan's infrastructure would be destroyed, and the country would be set back decades.
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Anyways, all of these discussions are way off topic. I get what most of you are saying, but I don't think my point is getting across. So let's just agree to disagree and move on.
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America "lost" in Vietnam, in the sense that they retreated, and that their own public turned against the government. If you check the casualties America easily "won". And that's my point. Politically they lost these wars, but if you compare casualties they won. There's a reason Iran won't declare war on them.
In veitnam in your head America won haha that is funny never met person so brainwashed they think american won in veitnam
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In veitnam in your head America won haha that is funny never met person so brainwashed they think american won in veitnam
c'mon rommel haven't u seen Rambo 2...rambo single handedly kills to many vietnamese....
even usa has super man on their side