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*Originally posted by Munni: *
Hmm, I have a question. Why do they all have Mirza infront of their names? Is that to show they are from previous nobility? Just wondering, thanks.
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It must be something like we place "Mohammed" before our names, not all, but many do.
Re: Re: Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad
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the post of this topic uptill now is by FALMEZZ......thats what qadiani deserves as **they r the worst enemy of islam*.............plz be brave enough to stand the critsism........
i might not reply for some dys ....
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Are you sure "they" are our worst enemies? or "Jews"? or "America"? lets look at our faults first, I believe we are the worst enemy of Islam by shouting out loud that we are Muslims and then we rarely follow Islam which places Islam in bad light.
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Are you sure "they" are our worst enemies? or "Jews"? or "America"? lets look at our faults first, I believe we are the worst enemy of Islam by shouting out loud that we are Muslims and then we rarely follow Islam which places Islam in bad light.
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How true...Well said...
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Even Saudi camels and Taliban are better than you since they are atleast Muslim and do not worship false prophets!
Even sayings of your Mirza about everyone being sons of prostitutes if they didn't accept him, do not open your eyes. Only Allah can guide you!
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salam
mirza said that those who do not follow him r sons of prostitute .........his son embraced islam..........right now i am busy but will tell u alll about what abuses mirza often gave in his books..........like RUNDI SHARAM GAH KI PADAWAR......etc....with refrences soon
salam
Though i am a sunni muslim but its very difficult for me to believe you. Usually spiritual leaders (regardless they are real or fake) dont use this type of language. However, I want to know what does Ahmedi people say about those who reject Mirza Ahmed and dont believe in his prophecy. Just like I met few christians here and they said that everybody who does'nt believe in Juses Son of God will go to hell. So according to their definition Jew and Muslims both are hell bound. Just curious to know what Ahmedis say about those muslims who totally reject Mirza Ahmed as prophet , mujadid , or whatever, and believe that the guy was a fake person.
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Though i am a sunni muslim but its very difficult for me to believe you. Usually spiritual leaders (regardless they are real or fake) dont use this type of language. However, I want to know what does Ahmedi people say about those who reject Mirza Ahmed and dont believe in his prophecy. Just like I met few christians here and they said that everybody who does'nt believe in Juses Son of God will go to hell. So according to their definition Jew and Muslims both are hell bound. Just curious to know what Ahmedis say about those muslims who totally reject Mirza Ahmed as prophet , mujadid , or whatever, and believe that the guy was a fake person.
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Read the other post : A question to Ahmedis and you will find out the kind of language mirza used. There are quotations from his own books.
A lot of community members, especially in the US, called, emailed & faxed letters to the New York Times about the obvious mistakes in the article. I guess due to the over whelming response they had no choice but to publish a correction.
Some who talked to Paul Lewis (the author of the original article) personally say that he has a British accent, which leads them to believe that the person who wrote a very strikingly similar article in the London Times & Paul Lewis have the same wrong source. Or one of the them plagiarized the other.
With NYTimes recently booting out another of their journalists who reported misleading mumbo jumbo, it’s doesn’t look too good for Mr. Paul.
Anyway, here is the correction that NY Times published!
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/17/obituaries/17AHMA.html
CORRECTION
Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Muslim Spiritual Leader, Dies at 74
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, spiritual leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement, a missionary movement that seeks to interpret Islamic doctrine in the light of the modern age, died on April 19 in London, where he had lived since fleeing Pakistan in 1984. He was 74.
Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad was the fourth successor — or khalifatul-masih (caliph of the Messiah) — of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association in Qadian, India, in 1889. After Indian independence in 1947, the headquarters of the faith were moved to Rabwah in Pakistan.
An obituary in this space on May 7 misstated or misinterpreted some of the movement’s principal tenets.
Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is considered by followers to be the promised Messiah, one who does not bring any new law but reaffirms the existing law of the Koran. He preached that he had a divine mandate to bring God’s teaching into harmony with the present-day world. He taught that Jesus swooned on the cross and escaped to India where he died at the age of 120. He understood the Muslim concept of jihad, or holy war, as a peaceful, not warlike, undertaking.
In 1982 Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad was elected to succeed his older brother as spiritual leader of the Ahmadiyya Movement. The group estimates the number of its adherents to be as many as 180 million.
Over the years, Muslim adversaries have opposed and sometimes persecuted the movement’s followers. Rivals have asserted, for instance, that Ghulam Ahmad falsely claimed to be the last prophet, after Muhammad.
The Ahmadiyya dispute these assertions, fed in part by contradictory historical accounts. The Ahmadiyya and independent scholars say that some standard reference works on this and related issues are outdated and erroneous.
After becoming caliph, Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad began a campaign to attract more converts to his faith. This disturbed Pakistan’s orthodox Muslim clergy, who prevailed on the government of Gen. Mohammad Zia ul-Haq to start persecuting the Ahmadiyya.
Their mosques were desecrated and some followers were beaten to death in a campaign of repression that many Ahmadiyya felt was intended to distract Pakistanis from the country’s domestic difficulties.
In 1984 Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad fled to Britain in fear that the government planned to arrest him. Many of his followers also left the country, settling mainly in Britain, Germany and Canada.
After reaching Britain, Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad moved into a southwest London mosque from which he directed the worldwide affairs of the community. He built mosques, hospitals and schools all over the world and at the time of his death was constructing one of Europe’s largest mosques, in Morden, Surrey. He also founded the Muslim Television Ahmadiyya, a 24-hour religious network, sent by satellite to large areas of the world.
Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad was born in Qadian on Dec. 18, 1928. He studied at Government College, Lahore, and at the School of African and Oriental Studies at London University. His wife, Asifa Begum, whom he married in 1957, died before him. He is survived by their four daughters.