I'd like to mention here that I've personally spoken to some Makranis from the Gwadar area who came here to Karachi looking for employment. Growing up in Karachi I have often come across people from these areas, mostly poor people who had to leave their settled homes and land of ancestors just for bread and butter. This class, the poor class, has always complained about the lack of development in their areas and lack of employment. These are the people that really matter and I think they would really benefit from the Gwadar project.
The grievances being presented by Balochistan's "politicians" may be valid to some extent. However, politicians are politicians and they have seen this issue as a great way to win their losing popularity. Don't forget MMA may have a rising share of seats in Baluchistan. Projects like Gwadar port and Mirani dam would surely bring prosperity to the region and benefit the local population in particular. Regarding the training for them, I think we cannnot have classes set up for them that would teach them how to do this and that... I mean come on, whoever works hard does get rewarded.
Many people and anti Pakistan elements from within and especiallly from the EAST are very concerned at this development. I view Gwadar as an expansion of Pakistan's economy towards its West. There was hardly any work done before in the Western regions. Not to mention, it would enhance our ties with our brothers across the border (iran) and across the sea (Emirates and Oman). The project would go ahead inshallah (in fact its about to be completed) and lead Pakistan into prosperity.
Gwadar project being fair to the locals or Balochis or Punjabis coming in or Sindhis going out or even Arabs coming in ...is our internal matter. I personally feel uncomfortable when our enemies discuss our affairs. So they better think about their own problems.
See, that is the crux of the problem. Whenever any local people mention the issue of them wanting priority in development and taining for projects, the issue of islamic unity is bought up. Why does Islamic unity in pakistan always mean the majority or dominant ehtnicty always gets the benefits over the underdeveloped minority?
How helpless would these balochs feel? Even with a PM from their land, they have to ask for simple things as local employment. How will they progress if never given the oppertunity? The federal structure in pakistan will have to change, so that provinces can make their own decision on these projects and issue of discrimation will automatically go away.
Imdad we’re going around in circles 
Thats exactly what I’m saying bro that this project WILL bring local employment!
The arguments against it sound totally illogical. These leaders are making it seem like Punjabis and Karachiites will throng Gwadar and [God forbid] the local Balochi population is going to face extinction.
I just DON’T buy that. Sounds like a really silly conspiracy theory.
Pitch this versus the employment opportunities that will be created for the local balochis.
And I don’t think there is any discrimination towards the provinces. I honestly find most fed govt decisions quite just.
Anyways, these leaders can whine if they want, they’ll just be wasting their energies coz they can’t stop the Gwadar project from going ahead inshallah…
Gwadar project will bring local employment? By what account do you know this is true?
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And I don't think there is any discrimination towards the provinces. I honestly find most fed govt decisions quite just.
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Sitting in defence in karachi, I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that.
sigh
I give up :p
I have not read the whole post. finals week.
Anyways, Isn't he the same guy who Bhutto Sahab forced to
go to our Paroosi Mulk.
the problem with us Pakistanis is that we have too many
LASSANE tanzeem. Even If Punjabis get the jobs so what.
If only we could say ke HUM musalmaan he.
and start think like that.
Lasanee tanzeem=racist pol org's.
take care
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*sigh
I give up :p
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dont give up! Irem I fully support you.
though there are concerns, aprt from pros and cons ? will this project make anything worst? from current situation?
Imdad, local or underdeveloped will stay like this if projects like this dont go ahead, they have to rely on other nearby cities for jobs.
so much investment certainly bring prosparity to the region.
before this, there wasnt a single decent road to connect Gawadar with national highways.
ok if anyone doesnt want this project. please give all this investment to a small town of your choice in a remote area that you hate if its so bad. I would still love it.
Personally I have no reason to oppose the Gwadar port..after all it would probably generate more employment for people from my area than the locals!
A quote from a previous cut and paste I made
How would you characterize the situation in Balochistan? What are the problems?
The major problem is the poor literacy rate. Illiteracy has enabled the tribal sardars to dominate provincial politics. We have never been given government jobs and representation proportionate to our population. There are other burning issues, the Gwadar Port is just one of them, though it now looms large. Although I am part of the treasury benches in parliament, I have serious reservations on the Gwadar project. Similarly, Saindak and Hub power projects as well as the issue of supply of natural gas to all the areas of the provinces need to be given priority.
What are the reservations?
In the Saindak project, for example, around 1, 200 Balochi youth were initially given jobs. The number is now down to 150 and the project managers are importing manpower from other provinces. In Hubco, out of 325 posts, only 37 low-cadre posts have been given to the people from Balochistan while 288 personnel from other provinces have been inducted. Some people argue that Balochistan lacks skilled manpower. That may not be entirely wrong but for a large part is a convenient argument to hide the reality. My demand is that a high powered committee be formed to look into the matter and ascertain whether people, who may qualify for these posts, are available in Balochistan or not; even whether those qualified are indeed given the jobs.
What are your objections to the Gwadar project? It is a big project and has much promise for Balochistan?
Look at the foundation of this project. The 22-member supervisory Gwadar Port Authority does not have a single person from Balochistan. Its headquarters are in Defence, Karachi. Similarly, the six-member Gwadar Port Trust does not have a single person from Balochistan and is headquartered in Islamabad. Why this blatant discrimination, we ask. How can this project be useful to Balochistan if at the end of the day it does not involve the people of the province? I am afraid our people will continue to be ignored when the project begins to be executed. That might even force us to part ways with the government if Islamabad fails to rectify the situation.
Why are your complaints not being redressed? Prime Minister Jamali hails from Balochistan. You have your own chief minister in the province but you are still complaining?
When 342 members of the national assembly cannot do any legislation and are unable to come up with a single cross-provincial welfare-oriented policy, you can forget about an individual, even a prime minister. The whole system is flawed. One person, however well-meaning, cannot do much.
Re: Gwadar port project opposed…
Who is this idiot!
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I have not read the whole post. finals week.
Anyways, Isn't he the same guy who Bhutto Sahab forced to
go to our Paroosi Mulk.
the problem with us Pakistanis is that we have too many
LASSANE tanzeem. Even If Punjabis get the jobs so what.
If only we could say ke HUM musalmaan he.
and start think like that.
Lasanee tanzeem=racist pol org's.
take care
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Yeah, so what? Ask bengalis and they will tell you who the racists are.
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Yeah, so what? Ask bengalis and they will tell you who the racists are.
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ZA Bhutto
Tikkah khan
Yahya Khan
mark a single punjabi in above names
Is this the work of sardar Mengal?
A car bomb blast in south-west Pakistan has killed three Chinese engineers and injured at least nine other people, say police and officials. The blast occurred as they were being taken to work on a project to develop port facilities in the city of Gawadar, near the border with Iran.
General Hamid, General Peerzada and General Omar have been more actively involved in conspiracies than Yahya Khan.
I have also heard that freedom fighters of Balochistan National Movement are also gathering their forces on the Baloch-Punjab border.
For what? Are they going to dance to “Nach Punjaaban” and then disband? 
Maybe they will dance, or maybe they will repeat 71. That's not the point. The point is that we have mistreated that so much, that it has come to this. Does that bother you?
Imdad,
Various rulers of Pakistan have mistreated/ignored about 90% of our population.
By your logic, everything outside of Isloo and Pindi would be a separate nation
I have been a big critic of our govts ignoring the provinces demands. But if you’re hoping for secession, please pick a number and stand in line.
We have been through worse before and Inshallah we will survive any challenge that comes our way in the future.