Guantanamo Prisoners claim torture and "horrific" treatment by US (MERGED)

*** Ignoring their protests that they were in Britain at the time, the Americans interrogated them so relentlessly that eventually all three falsely confessed. They were finally saved - at least on this occasion - by MI5, which came up with documentary evidence to show they had not left the UK"***

Are the American's still going to rubbish this, and say the intelligence agency of their leading ally are liars as well?

The lid is finally being lifted on Guantanamo Bay, and it is just like what many people have been claiming since early on...

This is all rubbish and this man is obviously lying...Americans are humanitarians at heart and would under no circumstances resort to torture and hurting people unless their guilt was proven...

After all, how can a country which has invaded countless countries on the basis of liberation and justice, destroyed more than 5 million lives since 1945, uses Depleted Uranium ammo to bring down the enemies of humanity at the risk of millions of years of radioactive toxicity be this calluous?

How can a country, which engages at will, at the risk of world condemnation and breaking every international rule of engagement, despite the United Nation's efforts to stop them be this cruel?

How can a civilization, which in its efforts to create a free country, taking on the responsibility of wiping out to extinction the natives of a land be this horrible?

How can a people, who stand behind their president so loyally despite the president's open agenda of unleashing hell upon an already destitute and wartorn people of another country be so uncaring about the fate of other's plights?

The man had it too good...These guys should have been killed on the spot and their innocence could have been proven later on instead of them coming out like this and condemning the people who took care of them for so long...

I am totally in agreement with Ohioguy, spoon and stu on this one...The man is liar and out to defame the merciful, loving and just name of America, which has created the most devastating weapons of destruction and is not afraid to use it for peace...I don't know how all you people can stand up against America, the country which is willing to annihilate every man, woman and child on the planet for the reason of security and peace...Shame on you all...

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
This is all rubbish and this man is obviously lying...Americans are humanitarians at heart and would under no circumstances resort to torture and hurting people unless their guilt was proven...

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Yes, and the American's will still be pathetically rubbishing the messenger, as they do when faced with these allegations.

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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
This is all rubbish and this man is obviously lying...Americans are humanitarians at heart and would under no circumstances resort to torture and hurting people unless their guilt was proven...

After all, how can a country which has invaded countless countries on the basis of liberation and justice, destroyed more than 5 million lives since 1945, uses Depleted Uranium ammo to bring down the enemies of humanity at the risk of millions of years of radioactive toxicity be this calluous?

How can a country, which engages at will, at the risk of world condemnation and breaking every international rule of engagement, despite the United Nation's efforts to stop them be this cruel?

How can a civilization, which in its efforts to create a free country, taking on the responsibility of wiping out to extinction the natives of a land be this horrible?

How can a people, who stand behind their president so loyally despite the president's open agenda of unleashing hell upon an already destitute and wartorn people of another country be so uncaring about the fate of other's plights?

The man had it too good...These guys should have been killed on the spot and their innocence could have been proven later on instead of them coming out like this and condemning the people who took care of them for so long...

I am totally in agreement with Ohioguy, spoon and stu on this one...The man is liar and out to defame the merciful, loving and just name of America, which has created the most devastating weapons of destruction and is not afraid to use it for peace...I don't know how all you people can stand up against America, the country which is willing to annihilate every man, woman and child on the planet for the reason of security and peace...Shame on you all...
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Yeah! You are so right Lajawab! (as usual) :)

We have to believe Bush when he says the following, and would he lie?

"No, of course. We don't torture people in America. And people who make that claim just don't know anything about our country". - Interview of the President by Laurence Oakes, Channel 9 TV, 18 October 2003.

Let's not all talk like we were all there and have lived and sampled the conditions. The pictures published of shackled captives weren't too pretty so who's to say that all behind the scenes was well?

Anyone defending GT bay needs a reality check. I suspect that in the coming years when GT is all but a ghost in Americas past - there will be many people who will look at this part of her history as an embarassment.

America has black marks not only on its own history but unfortunatly its a black mark on rest of the world too.

for Colin Powell to come out and say "Americans don't do these kind of things" is a blatant lie just need to study americas history to see this

who are they trying to fool!

ak47, stop obsessing about amrika.

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Anyone defending GT bay needs a reality check. I suspect that in the coming years when GT is all but a ghost in Americas past - there will be many people who will look at this part of her history as an embarassment.
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Yes, very true. They will look on it with as much shame as they treated the Japanese-Americans during the second world war, and how they have treated other people in America.

Now with the mass torture and killings of Iraqi's, we have many saying it all began with the lawless US detention policies in Guantanamo bay.

Even with all that's come out I still don't believe this guy. He's covering his ass, plain & simple. But him aside, there is an added need to look into the conditions at Gitmo.

Remember also that the Supreme Court has been hearing cases on unlawful detentions and Gitmo. I imagine the past weeks' news can't help the admin's case much.

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Even with all that's come out I still don't believe this guy. He's covering his ass, plain & simple. But him aside, there is an added need to look into the conditions at Gitmo.

Remember also that the Supreme Court has been hearing cases on unlawful detentions and Gitmo. I imagine the past weeks' news can't help the admin's case much.
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If the US government stated that the Geneva convetions were not applicale to Guantanamo bay, then illegal actions have been committed there. After all that is one of the "root causes" being touted by US commentators for the Abu Ghraib torture at the moment...

One after the other…

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13090897,00.html

**ICRC REPORT ‘CRITICAL’ **

A new report criticising the treatment of hundreds of detainees being held by the US at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba has been issued by the Red Cross. A Pentagon official said the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, had been given the report. The Red Cross has repeatedly criticised the imprisonment without charge of more than 500 people - most of them captured in Afghanistan - for more than two years. The senior official, who asked not to be identified, gave no details. But he said the International Committee of the Red Cross had delivered its report earlier this week.

“It was described to him (Mr Rumsfeld) as critical,” the official told reporters travelling with the defence secretary to Iraq. A recently publicised ICRC report on conditions at US prisons in Iraq fuelled international outrage over the abuse of detainees. The ICRC found abuse was “in some cases tantamount to torture”. The US makes a distinction between detainees held under the Geneva Convention, such as those in Iraq, and what it calls “enemy combatants” held at Guantanamo. Many of those imprisoned at the base in Cuba are suspected Taliban and al Qaeda fighters who the US insists are not entitled to prisoner-of-war status. But Washington says the detainees are treated humanely and just like POWs.

Ex-Guantanamo UK prisoners claim abuse

Hardly surprising to know that torutre on prisoners is also being practised at Guantanamo Bay.

Ex-Guantanamo UK prisoners claim abuse](Yahoo is part of the Yahoo family of brands.)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two British citizens who were held for more than two years at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, say they were abused by U.S. military interrogators, which they say contradicts American officials’ statements.

Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal accused U.S. military officials of deliberately misleading the public about interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo.

“From the moment of our arrival in Guantanamo Bay (and indeed from long before) we were deliberately humiliated and degraded by the use of methods that we now read U.S. officials denying,” the two wrote in an open letter to President George W. Bush and members of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Their attorney, Barbara Olshansky of the New York-based Centre for Constitutional Rights, said on Thursday the two were referring to statements by Army Colonel David McWilliams, a spokesman for U.S. Southern Command, in a May 9 Washington Post article. They also disputed statements made in a May 4 U.S. military briefing, Olshansky said.

In the Post story, McWilliams was quoted as saying, “We have no protocol that allows us to disrobe a detainee whatsoever,” a statement the two ex-prisoners said was untrue.

They also disputed statements that said rules at Guantanamo forbid the kind of torture coming to light in Iraq.

U.S. interrogation techniques have come under fire amid revelations of abuse of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib jail outside Baghdad, in which prisoners were kept naked, piled in pyramids, forced to engage in sex acts and photographed in humiliating poses.

Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told a U.S. Senate panel that any instructions on what is allowed in military interrogations were approved by Defence Department lawyers and “deemed to be consistent with the Geneva Convention.”

Critics contend tactics such as depriving prisoners of sleep and forcing them to hold stressful body positions breach international standards.

The Pentagon has denied prisoner-of-war status under the Geneva Convention to foreign terrorism suspects held at the Guantanamo Bay facility.

Rasul and Iqbal wrote that during their detention, they were “short-shackled,” that is, forced to squat with their hands chained between their legs and fastened to the floor for hours while they were questioned.

Other interrogation techniques included the use of dogs to frighten prisoners, strobe lights, loud music and freezing air to add to their discomfort, the two British citizens said.

Sometimes detainees were left naked in the interrogation room and “women (were) brought into the room who would inappropriately provoke and indeed molest them,” the two wrote. “It was completely clear to all the detainees that this was happening to particularly vulnerable prisoners, especially those who had come from the strictest of Islamic backgrounds.”

The two men described beatings by guards known as the ERF – Extreme Reaction Force – and a particular kind of beating and kicking known as “ERFing.”

Rasul and Iqbal said they were driven to falsely confess they were two figures in an August 2000 videotape that also showed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Mohammed Atta, a suicide pilot in the September 11, 2001, attacks. The two British citizens said they had documentation showing they were in England at the time.

Re: Ex-Guantanamo UK prisoners claim abuse

The US military seems to be emerging as the biggest war criminals in the world in the present time…

U.S. guards “filmed” Guantanamo abuse](http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040516/325/etokk.html)

LONDON (Reuters) - A third Briton detained at Guantanamo Bay has told a newspaper he was mistreated by his U.S. captors and says guards at the camp in Cuba filmed his beatings.

Tarek Dergoul, 26, from London, was one of five Britons released from the camp in March. Four others, said by Washington to be more dangerous, remain captive.

He told The Observer on Sunday he had been repeatedly assaulted by Camp Delta’s punishment squad, the Extreme Reaction Force, during his 22-month imprisonment.

“They pepper-sprayed me in the face and I started vomiting,” he was quoted as saying. "They pinned me down and attacked me, poking their fingers in my eyes, and forced my head into the toilet and flushed.

"They tied me up like a beast and then they were kneeling on me, kicking and punching.

“Finally they dragged me out of the cell in chains…and shaved my beard, my hair and my eyebrows,” he said.

“There was always this guy behind the squad, filming everything that happened,” he added.

Last week, two other British inmates wrote an open letter to President George W. Bush, saying they were beaten and accusing U.S. military officials of deliberately misleading the public about interrogation techniques used at Guantanamo.

The U.S. military, whose interrogation techniques have come under fire amid revelations of abuse of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib jail near Baghdad, has denied allegations of abuse at Guantanamo, where more than 600 people are being held without charge or access to lawyers.

Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal said in their letter to Bush that they were forced to squat with their hands shackled to the floor for hours during questioning, and that dogs, strobe lights and loud music were used to disorientate them.

I wonder if the British will claim this is fake?