Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Because Israel is a tiny sliver of land populated by Jews that is surrounded by agressive Muslim neighbors that are hell bent on destroying her?
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
so? That gives it some kind of right to unilaterally possess nukes? If you have a lot of enemies, then deal with those enemies, dont demand the right to solely have unmatchable destructive power.
Every country in the world matches the military capabilities of its enemy countries. Hypocritical to take some sort of higher moral ground in order to maintain your military leverage.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Deal with those enemies? You mean the ones that attacked her since her inception and refuse to recognize her right to exist? If Israel's stated goal was to wipe the Muslim nations from the earth then I don't think anyone would support their right to posess nukes.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Yes, those very enemies. You characterise them as an Israeli or somone sympathetic to Israel would characterise them, but bottom line its two groups of people who have issues with each othe. You may like one group more, but that doesnt mean that from an objective position, that one group also has the right to enforce its worldview with the threat of catastrophic destuctive power.
Israel and its neighbours may have different ways of expressing hostile intentions, and they have a whole bulk of issues between them. If you are supporting the sole right of any one side towards nuclear weapons, you are automatically granting them the position of strength as far as enforcing their position goes. Countries who are neutral or have an anti israel position are unlikely to be so generous.
They need to sit at the table as equals and work it out. To demonise Muslims and deem them unworthy to have to same kind of capabilities you have is not a good place to start.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Ravage, the problem with your argument is that the Muslims countries have already demonized Israel by stating their goal is to wipe them from the map and refusing their right to exist. How in the world can they sit at the table as equals? Their Arab neighbors won't even acknowledge them, never mind sit with them.
And with their very small size and population - a tiny faction compared to the neighbors that want her destroyed - nukes are only a deterrant. What is Iran trying to deter? Is Israel going to invade and take over their land?
No one is demonizing Muslims and as far as being unworthy - the UN is striving to stop the spread of any more nukes to anyone. Don't be so sensitive.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
^great, then stop the spread of nukes to Israel.
As far as "we are so defenceless we need nukes" goes, Israel has one of the best conventional military in the world too. It hasnt fared badly in the wars it had already had, and the nuclear deterrant is an overwhelming overkill.
as far as Arabs not acknowledging them and refusing to sit at the table, if the issue of Palestine is resolved equitably, then no Arab state will have issues with Israel's existence, even Iran has said as much. The problem is that Israel does not wish to compromise on issues key to it, that would aid in resolution with the Muslim states, therefore they rely on military supremacy. They merely wish to keep playing by their rules and ensuring nobody can keep them from doing so by maintaining an imbalance of power.
Israel does not need anything at all from its Muslim neighbours, simply because it has already taken the lands it wants and more. Muslims need their issues addressed, which is why they need to be more than impotent voices Israel can very well ignore because of the nuclear imbalance.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
C'mon Ravage. You really believe that their neighbors will accept a negotiated settlement short of giving up all their land? Hogwash.
You talk about compromise? What are Palestinians or any Arab neighbors doing to compromise?
As far as "Israel does not need anything at all from its Muslim neighbours, simply because it has already taken the lands it wants and more". Is that a joke? Their land mass represents a tiny sliver of property while Muslims have millions of square miles.
Has it ever dawned on you why Muslims voices are impotent? It's best to look inward rather than blaming the nuclear imbalance. As you pointed out, they were impotent way before Israel obtained nukes or even occupied the West Bank.
Other than these states being Muslim, which gives them a free pass - doesn't the arrogance and instability of most Arab governements frighten you if they posessed nukes?
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
alrite, so if a diplomatic resolution is not possible, why give one side the unilateral military supremacy? Simply because you like them?
you’ll never know if you never talk would you? There is an ever decreasing circle of states that cannot stomach the concept of Israel. That contra indicates your supposition of an implacable, irrational Muslim enemy.
Their land mass corresponds to real estate very religiously significant to Muslims and a whole lot of Muslim refugees.
excellent, so you agree then that there is no real conventional military imbalance such that Israel must possess nukes to redress?
point of order, iran isnt arab. Secondly they’ve been fairly stable for a while now and have resolved outstanding issues with countries they’ve had military conflicts with. They have good, close relations with secular and non-Muslim countries, and can stand to be a major economic power. So no, Iran doesnt frighten me that much. Afghanistan or Saddam’s Iraq, yes. Iran.. not really.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
At the cost of making some people very angry, I will say this - none of the so called muslim countries have proven capable of managing nuclear weapons and related technology or other WMDs. Israel on the other hand has a good record of non-proliferation.
So it's not baseless to stand that Israel can have nukes whereas the others who swore to erase them should not be allowed to.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Does anyone think that if Iran developed a nuclear bomb they wouldn’t drive that sucker to Israel the same day? Obviously I say drive because I don’t think they have the watts upstairs to construct a missile that would make it that far..
But then Israel sends off its 350 (alleged) nukes and BAM. The Middle East is a parking lot. You guys are all dead (figuratively speaking - I know many of you are in modern countries) and Americans live twice as long because they are now riding bikes all the time. So America haters lose twice.
You mainly want Iran to have nukes…uh..oh yeah because it would piss off America!
Great reason.
Do you guys want nukes going off in your cities? Or a western city? Any city? Just because the USSR is dead does not mean the strategy of ‘Mutual Assured Destruction’ is gone.
We have some crazy people in our government.
This guy said that if any nuke goes off in America then we should nuke mecca. And he’s a US Congressman. AND he may run for President in 08. I mean it’s scary here sometimes. I mean not scary like where you probably live, but scary like you’re a little kid and you’re watching Twilight Zone.
Do you know why we all like George Bush? Seriously. I bet you don’t. I didn’t figure it out until Katrina. When all the liberal news media kept foolishly comparing Bush’s performance after 9/11 and Katrina’s.
On 9/11 there was a human enemy. The words that put our country on fire were
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“I hear you, America hears you, and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear from all of us soon.”
~ President George W. Bush**
It was when he spoke of vengeance, that was when people got excited. Don’t get me wrong, we all wanted vengeance, but Bill Clinton gave us 8 years of a harsh warnings and non-vengeance. We weren’t used to it.
So here we got this crazy cowboy in office and someone just kicked us in the balls when we weren’t looking. What would you do? Tell him to take his time? Let’s have some committees? No? I don’t know, maybe you would.
My point is this. You can’t trust the US government to play by the rules because we reward politicians who don’t play by the rules. I know it’s wrong. I know it makes you want to kill women and children.
But trust me. You don’t want nukes going off.
It’s bad tactical strategy. If Israel is nuked then what happens? Iran and Pakistan could possibly be hit by US nukes.
Don’t you guys see that?
The only possible response I see is they won’t use them. And I just don’t see why you want to take the risk. I mean these people running this government are not held accountable by their citizens like you guys are. Tell me some of those mullahs aren’t super crazy Israel haters.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
Extremely unlikely. Iran doesn’t attack Israel every chance it gets. For example, Iran has armed Hezbollah with enough Iranian-made copies BM-122 Katyusha rockets to flatten most Israeli towns in the north, but has never instructed Hezbollah to use that capability.
Your assumption is based on the racist belief that Iran’s government acts irrationally, which runs contrary to its actions over the past 20 years. That government has an agenda, and only takes actions that drive this agenda and shies away from actions that would threaten its abilities to fulfill that agenda.
There is no reason to believe that an Iranian nuke would be immediately used against anyone at all, because Iran’s government is aware of the results of the counter attack.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
This is the same regime of Iran which hikacked embassy officials. What is the credibility of this country with neuclear power?........grenade at monkey' hand, can throw in any direction.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
You’re talking about an event so far in the past. I could bring up the USA’s attacks on Cambodia without a declaration of war.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
UN adopts EU resolution against Iran
The UN nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, has passed a European Union resolution that requires referring Iran to the UN Security Council at an unspecified date, a diplomat said.
Looks like they aren’t backing down after all.
Re: Great Victory for Great Iran - EU backs down on hard-line stance
This semihole guy talks about arrogant Muslim governments and watch his own arrogance. This semihole believes that might is right, he says that since the Muslims have plenty of land so Israel can steal land from the Palestininans, so he believes in stealing as well. Israel is not hostile towards its neighbours even after holding on to the land which belongs to its neighbour, nice theory Mr. Hitler.