Re: Great love for jesus led me to Islam
^ Your posts are as shaky as jello (isn't jello haram?) Minah is telling you who is Catholic, not who is Christian. And you speak as if Islam does not decide who is Muslim and who isn't. This board is full of people claiming other sects as non-Muslims. Will they be denied salvation as well?
Could you please tell me what it is that Jesus preaches in the Quran that illicits such respect and love?
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No, I said charlatan and false, but dropped that out of respect since it is your father we are talking about. I also said that maybe you are confusing the Catholic and Christian terms to maybe rationalize your complete lack of credibility or literacy, take your pick since you seem to vary from one to the other.
That theory most definitely NOT been disproven or do you (who can't tell the difference between a Catholic and a christian) claim more knowledge of Catholic practices and religion than a person who has been faithful and following for over forty years? Disprove what I said and we can go from there, but so far it is all a bunch of nothing but words with no meaning because they started out with a lie.
I said "all Catholics are Christians, but not all Christans are Catholic". Are you again proving your illiteracy by twisting this?
I said nothing about other christians other than some have different beliefs (ie believing in witchcraft and parapsychology) and I asserted Catholics do not believe in witchcraft, regardless what any others say about anything. Is that testimony against anyone except you?
People believe what they want obviously and I would never insult another relgion in the way that you do. Pagan means just that pagan and the religion that your father followed was pagan, possibly christian, definitely NOT Catholic.
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What Jesus preaches? Jesus was only a messenger, word was from God Almighty. Same is true of Holy Quran, it is word from God. Guidance comes only from God, conveyed to you and me through these pious souls. That is why you see Hindu holy figure of Krishna(as) with a flute - He (as) was only a flute though which the wind was blown, word was from the Lord Himself. It is true of every messenger of Allah.
Here are all the verses from Holy Quran where Jesus (as) is mentioned. Decide for your self the status of Jesus(as) in Quran:
Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 88 [Short Commentary]
And verily We gave Moses the Book and caused Messengers to follow in his footsteps after him; and to Jesus, son of Mary, We gave manifest Signs, and strengthened him with the Spirit of Holiness. Will you, then, every time a Messenger comes to you with what you yourselves desire not, behave arrogantly and treat some as liars and slay others?
Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 137 [Short Commentary]
Say ye, ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 254 [Short Commentary]
These messengers have We exalted some of them above others; among them there are those to whom Allah spoke; and some of them He exalted in degrees of rank. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and strengthened him with the spirit of holiness. And if Allah had so willed, those that came after them would not have fought with one another after clear Signs had come to them; but they did disagree. Of them were some who believed, and of them were some who disbelieved. And if Allah had so willed, they would not have fought with one another; but Allah does what He desires.
Chapter : 3 (Al-`Imran) Verse : 46 [Short Commentary]
When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;
Chapter : 3 (Al-`Imran) Verse : 53 [Short Commentary]
And when Jesus perceived their disbelief, he said, ‘Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah?’ The disciples answered, ‘We are the helpers of Allah. We have believed in Allah. And bear thou witness that we are obedient;’
Chapter : 3 (Al-`Imran) Verse : 56 [Short Commentary]
Remember the time when Allah said, ‘O Jesus, I will cause thee to die a natural death and will raise thee to Myself, and will clear thee of the charges of those who disbelieve, and will exalt those who follow thee above those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, and I will judge between you concerning that wherein you differ.’
Chapter : 3 (Al-`Imran) Verse : 60 [Short Commentary]
Surely, the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam. He created him out of dust, then he said to him, "Be’, and he was.
Chapter : 3 (Al-`Imran) Verse : 85 [Short Commentary]
Say, ‘We believe in Allah and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to Him we submit.’
Chapter : 4 (Al-Nisa’) Verse : 158 [Short Commentary]
And for their saying, ‘We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor did they bring about his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it.
Chapter : 4 (Al-Nisa’) Verse : 160 [Short Commentary]
And there is none among the People of the Book but will continue to believe in it before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) shall be a witness against them.
Chapter : 4 (Al-Nisa’) Verse : 164 [Short Commentary]
Surely, We have sent revelation to thee, as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book.
Chapter : 4 (Al-Nisa’) Verse : 172 [Short Commentary]
O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not, ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian.
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 47 [Short Commentary]
And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, fulfilling that which was revealed before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel which contained guidance and light, fulfilling that which was revealed before him in the Torah; and a guidance and an admonition for the God-fearing.
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 79 [Short Commentary]
Those amongst the Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress.
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 111 [Short Commentary]
When Allah will say, 'O Jesus son of Mary, remember My favour upon thee and upon thy mother; When I strengthened thee with the spirit of holiness so that thou didst speak to the people in the cradle and when of middle age; and when I taught thee the Book and the wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when thou didst fashion a creation out of clay, in the likeness of a bird, by My command; then thou didst breathe into it a new spirit and it became a soaring being by My command; and thou didst heal the night-blind and the leprous by My command; and when thou didst raise the dead by My command; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from putting thee to death when thou didst come to them with clear Signs; and those who disbelieved from among them said, ‘This is nothing but clear deception.’
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 113 [Short Commentary]
When the disciples said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, is thy Lord able to send down to us a table spread with food from heaven? He said, ‘Fear Allah, if you are believers.’
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 115 [Short Commentary]
Said Jesus, son of Mary, ‘O Allah, our Lord, send down to us a table from heaven spread with food that it may be to us a festival, to the first of us and to the last of us and a Sign from THeE; and provide sustenance for us, for THOU art the Best of Sustainers.’
Chapter : 5 (Al-Ma’idah) Verse : 117 [Short Commentary]
And when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’ he will answer, 'Holy art THOU, I could never say that which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is Thou alone Who art the Knower of all hidden things;
Chapter : 6 (Al-An`am) Verse : 86 [Short Commentary]
And We guided Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias; each one of them was of the righteous.
Chapter : 19 (Maryam) Verse : 31 [Short Commentary]
Jesus said, 'I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet;
Chapter : 19 (Maryam) Verse : 35 [Short Commentary]
That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt.
Chapter : 19 (Maryam) Verse : 37 [Short Commentary]
Said Jesus, ‘Surely, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him alone, this is the right path.’
Chapter : 33 (Al-Ahzab) Verse : 8 [Short Commentary]
And call to mind when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from thee, and from Noah and Abraham, and Moses and Jesus, son of Mary, and We indeed, took from them a solemn covenant;
Chapter : 42 (Al-Shura) Verse : 14 [Short Commentary]
He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have now revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus, viz., ‘Establish obedience to Allah in the earth, and be not divided therein. Hard upon the idolaters is that to which thou callest them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns to Him.’
Chapter : 43 (Al-Zukhruf) Verse : 64 [Short Commentary]
And when Jesus came with clear proofs, he said, 'Truly, I have come to you with wisdom, and to make clear to you some of that about which you differ. So fear Allah and obey me.
Chapter : 57 (Al-Hadid) Verse : 28 [Short Commentary]
Then We caused Our Messengers to follow in their footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow them, and We gave him the Gospel. And We put compassion and mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. And monasticism they invented - We did not prescribe it for them - for the seeking of Allah’s pleasure; but they observed it not as it should be observed. Yet We gave those of them, who believed, their due reward, but many of them are rebellious.
Chapter : 61 (Al-Saff) Verse : 7 [Short Commentary]
And call to mind when Jesus, son of Mary, said, ‘O children of Israel, surely, I am Allah’s Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the prophecies of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad. And when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, this is manifest sorcery.’
Chapter : 61 (Al-Saff) Verse : 15 [Short Commentary]
O ye who believe! be helpers of Allah, as said Jesus, son of Mary, to his disciples, ‘Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah?’ The disciples said, ‘We are helpers of Allah.’ So a party of the Children of Israel believed while a party disbelieved. Then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became predominant.
Re: Great love for jesus led me to Islam
Salaam/Hello,
It was amusing to read those who said that the "Quran describes Jesus as a sword-wielding killer".
I want to seriously ask, who told this person such an allegation, and why did he brainlessly repeat this to Muslims, thinking that we do not know the Quran ???
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Thank you for posting. It confirmed what I thought.
Re: Great love for jesus led me to Islam
Hello
I do not know what Seminole or others are thinking... We have put the all the verses of the Quran that speak of Jesus, and still these people are repeating their first statements. If they know of Quranic verses that we do not know, then they may show them to us, so that we may be enlightened.
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Dont the born again Christians believe that too?
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Hello Jello,
I am appreciative of being informed of all the Quranic verses dealing with Jesus, I have never seen them all together. If I am repeating my first statements it is because the brevity, downplay and truncation of his message that I assumed existed in the Quran has been verified.
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Minah,
I was scanning this thread and sommat stuck out yes, kids are taught all about baby jesus bringing them presents, they also give him presents..dunno how they get them to him but it's what they do :). I used to work with an angolan catholic fella who'd lived in colombia for 6 years, I helped pick out a scooter thingie from baby jesus to his kiddie. I wanted one too.
Re: Great love for jesus led me to Islam
I would like to see your source please. And your next door neighbour who calls Muslims “Islams” doesnt count. 
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Likewise one whiff of the bible, 18th edition is all you need to get the impression of 50 odd re-writes and whole lot of creation going on, no offence mate but your comment needs a balancing dunt it 
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I overheard someone who thought Islam was a country.
“int’ it awful them bombing Islam, I mean the country hasn’t got money or owt” bless her cotton socks,
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Haha. Doesnt that beat all !!!
Seminole - come on Im waiting for some proof buddy. Dont disappoint me.
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I don't pretend the Bible is as infallible as the word of God as related by an angel to an illiterate man who recited it by memory to many scribes who memorized what he said and assembled together by others some twenty years later.
I speak of the difference between them in the teachings of Jesus. They may as well not be the same man.
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I noticed that you still have not provided me with proof. I demand that you hold to your words and bring me the source from which you got it from. If you refuse to listen to me, well then I demand to see where you came up with your original comment! I mean how can you come up with something like that if you have no clue as to what Islam says about Jesus?
And I didnt quite understand the first (above) part of your post. Please explain.
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I'm sure you are familiar with this hadith, it has been discussed here before are referred to by others in this thread:
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Hadrat Abu Huraira reports that the Apostle (PBUH) of Allah affirmed: "No Prophet shall come during the period between me and Jesus (PBUH). And Jesus shall descend. Recognize him when you see him; he is a man of medium height and of a rudy, fair complexion. He will be dressed in two pieces of yellow garment. The hair of his head will appear as if water is trickling out of them, though his hair would not be wet. He will fight for the cause of Islam. He will break the Cross into pieces. He will slay the swine. He will abolish the Jizya on non-believers. In his time God will put an end to all other faiths except the religion of Islam. And Christ will kill Dajjal. He will live on this earth for a period of forty years and at the end of this period he will pass away. The Muslims will offer the funeral prayers of Christ (PBUH). (Abu Dawud, Kitab-ul-Malahim, Bab: Khuruj-ul-Dajjal; Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Huraira)
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Are you asking me to prove it's authentic? Sorry, can't do that.
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I don’t believe any scripture is the vertabim “word of God”
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why dont u guys try to understand....... Jesus is not coming back to earth bodily... He (as) is dead. Please provide the surah where it says that he is going to return to earth and become anti-christ... or make all the christians muslim or that when he will show up that will be the end of earth or what nut ! ? :o
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There is no surah to prove it. I've scoured the 1500 or words that pertain to Jesus and it is not in the Quran.
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Frozenfire and Seminole:
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4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
19:15 So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!**