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*Originally posted by Galaxy: *
My point --- Faith cannot be measured by science and philosophy. Trying to find links between faith and philosophy is baseless because when u believe in God, you believe that He is the omnipotent and consequently, you can't just assume His nature.
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I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: 'The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair.' In these words he epitomized the history of the human race. Education and the Social Order...

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*Originally posted by Galaxy: *
My point --- Faith cannot be measured by science and philosophy. Trying to find links between faith and philosophy is baseless because when u believe in God, you believe that He is the omnipotent and consequently, you can't just assume His nature.
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The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed, the passion is the measure of the holder's lack of rational conviction.

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I always thought Terry Prachet was the founder of the elephant on back theorum. :bummer:

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The Secret of Why God Does Not Immediately Punish the Disbelievers

One of the secrets revealed in the Qur’an is that people are not repaid immediately for the wrong acts they commit, but punishment is deferred until a specified time. This is related in verses as follows:

If God were to take mankind to task for what they have earned, He would not leave a single creature crawling on the surface (of the earth), but He is deferring them until a specified time. Then, when their time comes, God sees His servants! (Surah Fatir: 45)

Your Lord is The Ever-Forgiving, The Possessor of Mercy. If He had taken them to task for what they have earned, He would have hastened their punishment. Instead, they have a promised appointment and they will not find any refuge from it. (Surat al-Kahf: 58)

That many people are not immediately repaid for their wrong actions may lead them to think that they will never be held accountable for their evil acts. This presumption hinders them from asking for repentance, feeling regret and rectifying their errors. Furthermore, this adds to their insolence. Being bereft of wisdom, they cannot foresee that this will render their punishment even more unbearable in the hereafter. In the Qur’an, God states the following:

Those who disbelieve should not imagine that the extra time We grant to them is good for them. We only allow them more time so they will increase in evildoing. They will have a humiliating punishment. (Surah Ali 'Imran: 178)

This is a delay created by God only to put man to the test. However, there is surely an appointed time in the sight of God so that every man can be repaid for what he has engaged in. When this appointed time is over, it can neither be delayed nor drawn closer, not for a moment. God informs us that everyone will certainly be repaid:

And were it not for a decree that has already gone forth from your Lord, and a specified term, (their punishment) would have inevitably taken place already. (Surah Ta Ha: 129)

I will give them more time. My subtle scheme is sure. (Surat al-A’raf: 183)

http://www.harunyahya.com/some_secrets_of_the_quran_36.php

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*Originally posted by Sher: *

I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: 'The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair.' In these words he epitomized the history of the human race. Education and the Social Order...
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yes, that when education comes in....
u have to educate the boy that God exists and He will set up the Day of Judgement where every wrong doer will get his punishment and every one whose rights were abused will be compensated....
when even the goat who had no horns will be given horns to avenge the horned goat who is guilty of having butted this goat....
it all comes from education of religion....

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

yes, that when education comes in....
u have to educate the boy that God exists and He will set up the Day of Judgement where every wrong doer will get his punishment and every one whose rights were abused will be compensated....
when even the goat who had no horns will be given horns to avenge the horned goat who is guilty of having butted this goat....
it all comes from education of religion....
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Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand-in-hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by the help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.

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???okay :bummer: :bummer: huh!!! omg

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I think Sher sister is basically saying that faith is the best explanation for revereing god as oppsoed to anything scientific. Am I correct, sis?
The infusion of dead philosophers is a lot like quoting verses and stuff though, circular logic.

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Matsui uncle, are you saying that "faith is the best explanation for revereing god as oppsoed to anything scientific" is what Sher sis is saying here?

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*Originally posted by Sher: *
Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown, and partly the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing- fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death.... Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look round for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the Churches in all these centuries have made it.
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I explained it further in anothe rthread..don;t have the energy to type the same siht..plus ctl c and V is not my speciality.:snooty:

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I saw that. Seems like at the end of the discussion, either you will become an atheist or Sher will go to the nearest masjid and do tauba taib.

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Rational thought is over rated.

And science is an attempt to explain what we already know.

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Science too shouldn't be seen as absolute as it is deemed at times. Science is basically based on paradigms/dogmata that are prominent in that particular era......and following paradigm-shifts the whole focus of science and scientific research shifts. In that sense science is analoguous to religion in that it is based on dogmata and axioma, both of which are man-made to explain certain phenomena. However, the difference being that religion is usually very rigid in that it only accepts one dogma, whereas scientific dogmata are changeable in the long-run.

I'd suggest that science can be a very good companion of religion, both as tool/cause and result/consequence. Only requirement being that religious people should open up a bit more, and not hard-headedly focus on only the same set of rules that emerge from one dogma, but be open to various sets of rules, all of which are valid depending on which logic/deductive tools u use. Same goes for scientists but towards religion. Once this is done, philosophy inevitably will be introduced into the debates as well.