I studied this back in university. You have to understand the whole concept of the holy trinity. I can't explain it, maybe someone else can. Helpful, I know. :p
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Two people that get on my nerves are Jesus, Elvis, and Frank Sinatra. Enough already.
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OK, are you implying Elvis and Sinatra were the same person?
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Because Jesus said so. Kind of like when you believe what mohammad said, so do the christians when it comes to Jesus. It is a matter of faith...
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Matty does have a valid point here guys. At times, I even wonder whether there is a real distinction between the amount of praise and (semi-)devine powers we attribute to our Prophet and Christians attribute to theirs. The only difference being that 'Muslims' do it implicitly whereas Christians openly give their Prophet devine characteristics.
Even though Jesus is referred to as 'the Son of God', the level of reverence by his followers is not any more than that of the Muslim-Muhammed relationship. While Christians are supposed to follow the teachings and examples of Christ, the reverence does not extend to imitating the way he said hello, groomed himself or ate his food.
Semi, you have raised this point before & I just wanted to give you my understanding of it; that while I agree that Muslims give much reverence to the Holy Prophet, they do not consider him their sustainer or someone who they would pray to. In other words while it’s alright for Christians today to pray to Jesus for forgiveness of their sins & consider him the savior, Muslims only attribute such favors to God & God alone. And that’s where we differ in the concept of monotheism from Christianity.
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In other words while it’s alright for Christians today to pray to Jesus for forgiveness of their sins & consider him the savior, Muslims only attribute such favors to God & God alone.
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how often don't we/you hear mualanas making dua that the Prophet shud forgive us our sins, that he shud do karam etc etc etc...... I agree, sometimes it is put more subtle: "the prophet shud help us to convince god to forgive our sins", but basically this is the same as the first, but here you try to conceal your real focus behind the dua: that making dua to the Prophet can make a difference whether ur sins are forgiven or not
And there are those who would go on to pray to the saints and pir faqeers as well.
I was talking about Islamic teachings as I understand them. :-)
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I was talking about Islamic teachings as I understand them. :-)
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hehe, then why did you put 'Muslims' in your post and not 'I'? ;-)
cuz the majority of 'Muslims' do what I sketched above
Nesy, are you pulling my leg? 
And I don’t quiet agree that most Muslims do that. Even the a good bit of Shias I know don’t proclaim something like ‘Ya Ali Madad’
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cuz the majority of 'Muslims' do what I sketched above
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I don't think so. Although, may be a fair bit of uneducated people in areas in Pakistan/India do follow misguided teachings of peers etc... but to say that a "majority" of muslims are not monothestic (intentionally or otherwise) is quite untrue. IMO.
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how often don't we/you hear mualanas making dua that the Prophet shud forgive us our sins, that he shud do karam etc etc etc...... I agree, sometimes it is put more subtle: "the prophet shud help us to convince god to forgive our sins", but basically this is the same as the first, but here you try to conceal your real focus behind the dua: that making dua to the Prophet can make a difference whether ur sins are forgiven or not
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Nes the prophet(SAW) was here to guide us and teach us about islam.Just because he did so ,we dont say he is God. So if some people ask him to help them with a duaa- the duaa is still made to Allah.
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Matty does have a valid point here guys. At times, I even wonder whether there is a real distinction between the amount of praise and (semi-)devine powers we attribute to our Prophet and Christians attribute to theirs. The only difference being that 'Muslims' do it implicitly whereas Christians openly give their Prophet devine characteristics.
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Nes, Jesus was Isa (AS). There were prophets - same ones for us and Christians.Prophets were chosen by Allah and sent down to us. Praise was/is due to the fact that they were Prophets. Your comment about the distinction makes no sense.
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While Christians are supposed to follow the teachings and examples of Christ, the reverence does not extend to imitating the way he said hello, groomed himself or ate his food.
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Even if Christians wanted to imitate Jesus in regards to these things they likely wouldn't have very much to go on as the Bible tells us very little about Jesus "the person". Details about the New Testament's central character are scant indeed...