gender roles and inequality

[PyariCgudia]

Re: gender roles and inequality

@sal35

High growth always produces high inflation. This is a common fact. Now India and China will face high inflation because of high growth in their economy. I will prefer a low growth and low inflation situation. If man and woman both work then economy moves in a high growth path and so it produces high inflation.

Oh gawd. The USA is in high growth, and Pakistan has much more inflation than USA. I don't agree with you, and I don't think you know your economics too well. I think you're pulling strings to justify that women should sit at home, and be your maid, while you get to do whatever you really want with your life. I'm sorry, but women have that freedom too. Accept the fact, its a reality now. Kiss my jhooti, if you don't like to accept facts.

[PyariCgudia]

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And now with paternity tests, the below is no longer a valid argument anymore. Hence no need for women to be stepped on. :)

If a woman was allowed to have as many sexual partners as her heart desired, then there would always be a question as to the paternity of the child.

I can throw paternity id's and rights in the face of men, with paternity tests. Here, take your darn paternity and get steppin'. Women are here to stay in the workforce, and they can do whatever they want to do with their lives, and they have the freedom of choice. throws paternity issues in the face of male GS guppies

[PyariCgudia]

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@Mamaof3

Funny thing…not that I’m looking to start any kind of dissention here but think about it…its REALLY and truly a luxury to have a husband providing enough income that the wife CAN (IF she WANTS) stay home and raise the kids and care for hearth and home.

We struggle very much with our bills but so far MASHALAAH we have been able to do this and its really the biggest blessing I could every ask for - to be here for my boys. I in no way see it as something derogatory towards women.

On the down side, there really arent many who really and truly understand that. Our eldest son has troubles and many docs, when they see or hear that I’m “housewife”, assume that I’m just some dummy gal without a CLUE how to raise children. When I could give THEM a lecture or three on the problems that my son has. This too in the US of A - I dont even want to think about how things would be in a less “progressive” country.

Exactly mamaof3, and its feminism that allows you to make the choice to stay at home and live your life the way you want. Otherwise, before you do as your husband says. Some husbands enslave at home. Some husbands enslave their wives to do actual outside work, like work in sweat shops or in fields, or even in the western white collar world, in an office.

Either way, a woman is not getting what she wants. I’m glad you have the freedom to live your life the way you want. That’s feminism at work. :k:

[Diazepam_Dreams]

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My my... such a bright collection of minds... i'm glad to see that my first post to this forum has been so "warmly" received.

First of all...

*And now with paternity tests, the below is no longer a valid argument anymore. Hence no need for women to be stepped on. *

Did they have paternity tests 100 years ago? Of course not... the paternity question was a big issue even 50 years ago. Behaviours which have evolved over several centuries can't be changed "overnight" with the onset of DNA testing.

Then again PyariCGudia... the availability of a paternity test shouldn't be taken as something sanctioning promiscuous behaviour on the part of women.

Secondly ... in reprise to parissenoor...

Try paying a visit to the hospital nearest to you... when you get there, go to the Labour room. Ask one of the house surgeons there, or a Postgraduate Registrar about how many baby girls have been born as compared to baby boys over the past few months. In Rawalpindi General Hospital, only 26 baby boys were born in the month of December, as compared to a total of 344 baby girls.

Food for thought eh?

[parissenoor]

Re: gender roles and inequality

@Diazepam Dreams

Secondly ... in reprise to parissenoor...

Try paying a visit to the hospital nearest to you... when you get there, go to the Labour room. Ask one of the house surgeons there, or a Postgraduate Registrar about how many baby girls have been born as compared to baby boys over the past few months. In Rawalpindi General Hospital, only 26 baby boys were born in the month of December, as compared to a total of 344 baby girls.

Food for thought eh?

sory in my place human make 105 baby boy for each 100 baby girl

because abortion for gender issue is forbidden by law

[sal35]

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@PyariCgudia

Oh gawd. The USA is in high growth, and Pakistan has much more inflation than USA. I don't agree with you, and I don't think you know your economics too well. I think you're pulling strings to justify that women should sit at home, and be your maid, while you get to do whatever you really want with your life. I'm sorry, but women have that freedom too. Accept the fact, its a reality now. Kiss my jhooti, if you don't like to accept facts.

You always misunderstood me and attacked me from the very first day since I entered this website. I still don't understand why?

[sal35]

Re: gender roles and inequality

@parissenoor

in search for explanation to the submission of women in most traditional society including the one most close to forum members, aka desi societies:

we all know the traditional roles share:
-women staying home, caring about children and doing housechores, these housechores including also field chores, and getting water, meaning women are not confined home especially in countryside
-men going out to work and earning money for his family

now there is another dimension that is central in desi society: women honor and their subsequent seclusion: purdah, burqa, niqa, hijab. the virginity is highly priced and the honor of a woman seem to be also dependent on her reputation, ie the way she walks, speak, smile, laugh…and what she does, go out, her friends…in the end everything in her life seemed monitored closely, in order that to have a “good” reputation she must show as little interest to the opposite gender as possible, and have sa weak a personality as possible.

so my wonder was how things eveolved to that point?

first i guessed all the pressure on women was to make sure she’ll be faithfull and not tempted to cheat on the husband.
then i asked myself why is that so important that a women have just one man in her life? obvious answer was: to ensure paternity! men need to own firmly a woman to be sure to be the father of the kid, while a man can cheat her wife, she’ll allways be sure her kids are hers!

then i wondered why some societies attach so much importance on fatherhood, while others are very loose about it and consider that any kid born in the community is a bliss anyway.
it reminds me of sal35 post about inuits

the answer was rather clear: anywhere where having children is essential for the community survival, women have a high value and can have as many partners as wanted because kids are needed anyway, that is the case in primitive societies, and tribes living in rude environement such as inuit
while in places like india, pâkistan, the population is so numerous that the need for children is less, furthermore thanks to easy life condition there are more men than women so any of them can (heoritically) get a partner, hence the need to make ure his kids will not be his neighbors!

ok, it is a long post, tell me what you think, esp PCG:flower1:

Unfortunately our historical records are just 2500 years old. By then gender inequality had already been well established and man was already dominating in every sphere of life. Before that what happened is unclear. Definitely research is needed on this topic. But modern laws are evolving to strive for gender parity and to remove discrimination. So things have to go a long way. But it will take a long long time since cultural changes take place slowly.

In India, in order to bring this equality, there was an effort to make cumpulsory reservation of seats for women in the parliament and I strongly supported this idea since when more and more women are in the parliament then they will be in a position to enact laws favourable to this concept and accelerate this process but unfortunately the male dominated society succeeded in thwarting this attempt.

[Diazepam_Dreams]

Re: gender roles and inequality

**sory in my place human make 105 baby boy for each 100 baby girl

because abortion for gender issue is forbidden by law**

Who on earth is talking about abortions?

I'm simply quoting facts and figures from an ordinary hospital labour room...

[PyariCgudia]

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Oh I'm not sanctioning promiscuous behavior by any circumstances. In fact, the whole "well we dont know who the father is" argument that is used to support non-promiscuous behavior for women is also used to support promiscuous behavior among men. Women don't need a maternity test. Its obvious who the mom is, so many people use the same paternity test argument to justify double standards.

My point is promiscuous behavior is unfair to your life partner. Period. Whether you are a guy or not. Paternity and Maternity identity is not an issue any longer, and paternity tests can't be used to justify that its okay for the man to have the upper hand in anything.

[Diazepam_Dreams]

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My point is promiscuous behavior is unfair to your life partner. Period. Whether you are a guy or not. Paternity and Maternity identity is not an issue any longer, and paternity tests can't be used to justify that its okay for the man to have the upper hand in anything.
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Agreed. :-)

[Blitzkrieg]

Re: gender roles and inequality

@PyariCgudia

Oh I'm not sanctioning promiscuous behavior by any circumstances. In fact, the whole "well we dont know who the father is" argument that is used to support non-promiscuous behavior for women is also used to support promiscuous behavior among men. Women don't need a maternity test. Its obvious who the mom is, so many people use the same paternity test argument to justify double standards.

My point is promiscuous behavior is unfair to your life partner. Period. Whether you are a guy or not. Paternity and Maternity identity is not an issue any longer, and paternity tests can't be used to justify that its okay for the man to have the upper hand in anything.

^ Still doesn't answer the original question?