Foreign minister Lays drugs, Islamic fundamentalism menace his country

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Foreign minister Lays drugs, Islamic fundamentalism menace his country

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/02/25/national1129EST0595.DT

Drugs from Afghanistan and a fervent Islamic fundamentalism that has attracted more than 3,000 adherents are growing menaces to Kyrgyzstan, the foreign minister of the former Soviet republic said Wednesday.

Appealing for help to combat drug traffic, Askar Aitmatov said a strong international effort is needed to help his country’s security services stem the flow.

The State Department, responding sympathetically, said the Bush administration is working very closely with the Kyrgyz government against terrorism, narcotics trafficking and human trafficking.
A U.S. passport security project helps guard the border against imports of narcotics, and the United States has contributed $6.3 million to help set up a drug control program, spokesman Richard Boucher said.
The United States is working with the United Nations to set up a new drug control agency in Bishkek, Boucher said, and a senior law enforcement adviser will go to the capital within a few months “to work more directly with them and to help target assistance in law enforcement, counterterrorism and legal reform.”

In a speech before a meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Aitmatov condemned a radical Muslim group, Hizbut Tahir, which is trying to establish a worldwide caliphate with strict Sharia law.
Aitmatov said its adherents were interfering with human rights and jobs programs in their drive to establish an Islamist state in Kyrgyzstan.
“This fundamentalist menace to our country cannot be stopped only by law enforcement,” the foreign minister said.

Trying to draw closer to the United States while maintaining good relations with Russia, Kyrgyzstan permitted U.S. forces to use an air base in its war against Taliban and al-Qaida terrorists in Afghanistan.
Even though the Taliban government was toppled in Kabul “it is too early to talk about the end of terrorism,” Aitmatov said.

Comment:

Its not Islam which is the menace its the western ideas like freedom which encourages humans to behave as they wish and leads societies and nations down the road to disaster. Asking America to help is like the woolf being asked to guard the sheep, just take a closer look at American society, the unemployment, racism, homelesness, crime etc.

It is Political Islam which is capable of solving the problems which the whole world suffers from today and should be welcomed as the saviour of humanity and not as an evil monster.

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is there a country that does not have problems with unemployment, racism, homelessness and crime?

this political islam that you speak of, untila nd unless it exists and is all what you say and a bag of chips, we can look at it as an example, but until then its a utopia.

so either these ciountries needing guidance can wait until then, or they can go with what can help them move forward now.

It is interesting when people start noting all that is wrong with US..but somehow forget what all has US accomplished and its contributions to mankind. teh daily products that make your life easier, medicine and technology..I can bet there were more breakthrough products developed in US in one year than in the entire muslim world combined in a decade.

so when this utopia is established then you can talk. Sure I would eat a filet mignon than a cheeseburger, but unless the filet is on the menu..I am going for teh cheeseburger...the filet..is not on the table.

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"It is Political Islam which is capable of solving the problems..."

Prove it.

Show me one country on earth where "Political Islam" is leading the world.

Funny, I have not detected a huge number of immigrants leaving America and flooding ,say, Iran.

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Re: Foreign minister Lays drugs, Islamic fundamentalism menace his country

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*Originally posted by showkot: *

Its not Islam which is the menace its the western ideas like freedom which encourages humans to behave as they wish
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I know it's early in the year but I nominate this as the quote of the year.

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Showkot, please learn the difference between freedom and anarchy. On another note, what is your educational background? I am just curious.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
"It is Political Islam which is capable of solving the problems..."

Prove it.

Show me one country on earth where "Political Islam" is leading the world.

Funny, I have not detected a huge number of immigrants leaving America and flooding ,say, Iran.
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Its only a matter of time

The obstacles that america, britain and the puppet regimes put in place to prevent political islam surfacing will eventually be removed and your arrogant statement will slap you back on your face!

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Re: Foreign minister Lays drugs, Islamic fundamentalism menace his country

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by showkot: *

It is Political Islam which is capable of solving the problems which the whole world suffers from today and should be welcomed as the saviour of humanity and not as an evil monster.
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Curious, but is the Taliban your ideal model for "Political Islam"? If so, God help us...

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There is no role model of "Political Islam" in the present times... otherwise thats where the khalifa will reside already :-)

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
There is no role model of "Political Islam" in the present times... otherwise thats where the khalifa will reside already :-)
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Obviously you have not been looking at world events very closley then!

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ak47, there is a role model of "political" islam? pray tell who it is :) gracias

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
ak47, there is a role model of "political" islam? pray tell who it is :) gracias
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Political islam is a reality, I can see your comments are sarcastic as ever.

If you take a look at any region of the muslim world the people are in conflict with the secularists from turkey to indonesia.

As for role model the only role model any muslim should aspire to is muhammad(saw) and the sahabah they are the blueprint!

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Sarcastic? was just being polite :)

Faisal's question was that in "present times" there is no role model

to which you replied

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
Obviously you have not been looking at world events very closley then!
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implying that there is some present role model.

I simply asked you who that role model was.

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by ak47: *As for role model the only role model any muslim should aspire to is muhammad(saw) and the sahabah they are the blueprint!
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Now there is a logical disconnect here..sure the prophet is the role model we should aspire to be, but that statement does not connect well with your statement of " looking at world events closely"

The point is that there is no current living role model anywhere.

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So, just trust you , everything will be fine.....

Sorry, Ronald Reagan told me to trust but verify.....

So let me get this straight. There is no Islamic republic on the face of the earth that you would hold up as a shining example of the new possibilities you present. Not Iran? Where they disqualify huge numbers of candiadates because they are reformers?

And political Islam cannot work unless a huge regional area is solely controlled by one entity? (sounds a little facist to me) There is no ability or desire to seek your political goals through participation and negiciation? It is just this all or nothing proposition?

I say, take one country, turn it into a beacon of shining light, and we'll let ya know....

Wake me when you get that part done.....

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"Let's get one thing straight - there is no state today where Islam is applied as a system. None. Not Saudi, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan - no where."

So, it's either all or nothing.

Now, I believe that all of those countries have a lot of Muslims. Why do you think that they have not demanded the return of the Caliph? And please do not say that it is the fault of the US, Syria certainly has no ties to the US.

I beleive that your will find that in addition to viewing themselves as Muslims, they also view themselves as Iranians, Pakistani's and Egyptians. They will never submit to rule from far away "foreigner", any more than the worlds Catholics want to be ruled by the pope.

Good luck on the pipe dream. Seems to me that in the mean time you may want to organize the worlds 1.3 Billion people into a bloc with more influence , commerce and advancement. Wasn't this one of the hallmarks of the Ottoman Empire anyway? Seems like a lot of good could be done long beforre your Caliph appears.

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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
Sarcastic? was just being polite :)

Faisal's question was that in "present times" there is no role model

to which you replied

implying that there is some present role model.

I simply asked you who that role model was.

Now there is a logical disconnect here..sure the prophet is the role model we should aspire to be, but that statement does not connect well with your statement of " looking at world events closely"

The point is that there is no current living role model anywhere.
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world events are showing people want islam that is the point or are you going to deny this also!

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You don't know how the american state and federal system work do you? There is more freedom for shia "kaffirs" like me in america, then their ever will be in any "muslim" lands. I can go pray without fearing someone will kill me. But sad thing is that the terrorists are trying hard to bring that kind of terror to the US as well.

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Salaams to the muslims and Hi to the non-muslims

Fraudz

We as muslims believe that Islam contains all the answers to humanities problems this is a fundamental aspect of our faith. If Islam does not exist today in the form of a state then it is the duty of al the muslims to re-establsih it, not just make dua for it to return. If the sahabah had the same mentality then Islam would not have been established and spread by them. Islam is not just about believing in certain verses and hadiths but by doing the actions which are demanded by us.

Its unacceptable to say that just because the Islamic state does not exist we will live life according to Non-Islam and when it is established we will take advantage of that. We ahve a duty to change the situation not accept it and do nothing.

Also it seems to that you spend more time promoting America than you do ISlAM, i hope i am wrong in this observation.

Imdad Ali

Please enlighten me on the differences between freedom and anarchy. Also the muslim is not free to act as he pleases he has to follow the commands of ALlah. Also brother who called you kaffir it certainly was not me . ANd just because America treats you better than some muslim countries its a wrong basis to judge them. Judge AMerica on the basis upon which it is established which is secularism and not Islam.

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
world events are showing people want islam that is the point or are you going to deny this also!
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however world events are not showing anyone who is any sort of role model as a khalifah.

People want islam, but the definition of what they want differs, there is no consensus..but lets not go off on a tangent here :)

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Originally posted by showkot: *
**Fraudz*

w'salam, and yessshhh mah dear..

*We as muslims believe that Islam contains all the answers ..to .. Islam is not just about believing in certain verses and hadiths but by doing the actions which are demanded by us. *

okay, you are preaching to the choir here..

Its unacceptable to say that just because the Islamic state does not exist we will live life according to Non-Islam and when it is established we will take advantage of that. We ahve a duty to change the situation not accept it and do nothing.

who said that? live life according to islamic principles, i dont see an issue there. Yes we have a duty to change the situation, but people can have their own ways of bringing about that change..just because someone does not engage in the same set of activities as you does not mean he or she is not trying to change things in his or her own manner.

Also it seems to that you spend more time promoting America than you do ISlAM, i hope i am wrong in this observation.

Also it seems you see what you want to see. I think that the non muslim visitors on this site have discussed islam with me and learnt more thru those interactions whether on forums or Pms, than by arguing about politics with some people.

one person thought i was non muslim, one thought I promote US more than Islam...guys..I promote nothing.. I say whatever is on my mind. I mean aside from the fact that I am on the payroll of a secret govt organization..so secret that it does not know of its own existence, and my goal is to promote gangsta jazz (yeah tell me about it), I dont promote jack...

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by showkot: *
Imdad Ali

Please enlighten me on the differences between freedom and anarchy. Also the muslim is not free to act as he pleases he has to follow the commands of ALlah. Also brother who called you kaffir it certainly was not me . ANd just because America treats you better than some muslim countries its a wrong basis to judge them. Judge AMerica on the basis upon which it is established which is secularism and not Islam.
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Anarchy is when their is no rule of law and people can get away with basicaly anything. Freedom, as we have in the US, means I can speak my mind and follow the commands of Allah, but I cannot threaten to kill someone or yell fire in a crowded theater.

And I am judgeing america on the basis it is establushed. Equality for everyone. It has not always been 100% equal, but today it is closest to that then any other country in the world. It is has accomplsihed what so many other muslim countries have failed.