Foreign fighters leave NWA

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You have a habit of criminally misquoting him. The ghairat mand phrase was popularly used for the tribals, the same elders Pakistan army is trying to win over since the day Musharraf left.

How is he supporting Taliban if says defeat them through politics? Prove Imran unlike our Prime Minister is a poster boy of Saudi Arabia, his party has any contacts with any extremist organization like LeJ, Let, prove himself or his party has any links with Taliban. His record is clean and there's a reason ISI/army had allowed him to live and prosper in Pakistan despite him being their single most high profile critic.

The fact every Tom, Dick and Harry heedlessly throws the terms like 'supporting' 'supporter' of Taliban shows the real face of intolerance of Pakistanis. The same Pakistanis who like to pretend oh so by the book moderate, liberal, righteous when terms like Kafir are thrown around, and moan about extremism, don't have any problem when they indulge in political extremism and malign personalities and ideas they don't agree with. Political extremism is as bad religious extremism. God forbid, if tomorrow, there appears anti Taliban militia and innocent PTI workers or supporters start getting gun down or locked away because they are seen as 'Taliban supporters', what do you think would become of Pakistan?

It's about time that those who oppose Imran so vehemently need to come up with their own ideas and narrative and movement to counter him. C'mon it's been nearly 14 years, and we've been same old recycled rubbish about how he's failed the entire human race. If all arguments seeking solution to Taliban going to boil down to same old personality bashing of a single individual, chances are you won't have find a solution or 'consensus' ten years from now.

Handful of NRP's need to get off their high horses and stop living a delusion that there isn't a consensus in Pakistan just because their self important souls don't agree with the decisions being made in Pakistan by Pakistanis! The mandate given to PTI and PMLN is the consensus against Taliban. The military, civilian agreement to peruse talks is an example of a consensus in Pakistan.

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PD, I believe it was you who told me that every individual has the right to hold and opinion and express it without being criminalised for it. I was so impressed at the time that it became the only single occasion that made me realize that I should've accepted your date. But, alas, the regret didn't last for long because you seem to have taken a complete U turn on that. I'm heartbroken.

Anyway. Back to your argument. On what basis you think you have the authority to profoundly criminalise Imran for having a view? If IK is not responsible for actions of army or the government, then why is he customarily an riotously dragged into every matter that directly concerns the former? By using Imran as punch bag, you are unfortunately undermining, and basically freeing the other mega, larger than life institutions from any responsibility, accountability and obligation whatsoever! These mundane, opportunistic, self pleasing practice of tipping a single personality against not one but two important institutions has dumbed down the nation. Haters, supporters and even the inbetweeners cannot see anything beyond Imran because this the sorry state of political culture in Pakistan. The media and every major party and politician has spent nearly a decade systematically demonising and discrediting Imran in every single way or every single front, and he's still the person with second highest vote? What can I say or what do you think that should be done now? Perhaps it's time that people sitting in all free and tolerant West accept and understand the choices people living in Pakistan have made. It's not just PTI, even PMLN campaigned on the same agenda. So that tells us, there is a consensus in Pakistan for a quick and bloodless end to this war.

The reason why Imran gets public's vote of confidence is because he's employed academic length in his every interview, speech, debate to explain his position. He never shyed away from explaining his policy from a strategic, historical, politically, economic and cultural point of view. He openly faced the public, he faced his bitter critics for years, he even faced his discouraged fans and explained his position and remained true to it. To be fair, a man who can start and end his every conversation with the saying that Pakistan can come out of this war with minimum blood loss and material destruction, you know he'll have people's vote.

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It is amazing that whenever Imran gives a statement and anyone who dare criticise it is labelled IK bashers. What is sadly missing from the thinking of these IK worshippers is the fact that he is the one who opens his mouth and has verbal diarrhoea to which people respond. If he would make a sensible suggestion people would not bash him. Having just lost so many innocent lives in Karachi at the hands of these animals, yes I abhor anyone who supports them, always will. Those who dont like it, take a hike.

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Aw. Don't like being called IK basher, but would love to go around calling people IK worshipers and what not, when they counter anything. LOL. Yes. Whatever. How smart.

The hypocrisy and double standards of self proclaimed me so hate Taliban pack was exposed when when peace talks were failing, ceasefire ended but no wailing and hysteria was ever detected because Imran kept quiet and wasn't formally associated it with it anymore. It was Ch. Nisar who was leading charge.

It's not the silence of Prime Minister and his Cabinet Ministers and The army that hurts people, it's the statements of Imran that gets everyone in a wad. Nice.

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Because imran tries to be "relevant" by injecting statements yet won't absorb FATA into KP. His solution was that give us FC (not the border force but KP's frontier constabulary) so they can guard against incursions from FATA>

You are being a fangirl for not admitting imran's idiocracies here but fine don't accept them because you have an emotional attachment to him.

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I have an emotional attachment to Pakistan, but I also realise that Pakistanis have a boyish fascination with war and bloodshed.

I agree that Imran should stay quiet and just wait and watch, he has a terrible habit of bailing the government and army out when they finally get under some pressure. He's very much a Shahid Afridi of politics in a sense that he thinks he must reply to every question that media wala throws at you. I'd probably give him better advice and training on media management than some of his paid staff. But I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy and double standards of some people who think crying hoarse about a certain personality is enough to solve the war (it clearly hasn't worked), whilst they have no words or desire to seek any responsibility and accountability from institutions (yes bloody institutions) that are directly responsible for (creating and) dealing with this mess. The government and army may very well have decided to take a bold step if the tide of bitter criticism was directed at them. But no, even the army is a total enemy number these day because Imran is its civilian COAS. Then who the eff they think is going to work for them? Maybe the sky will rip open one day and angels will descend on pretty Pakistan, clean the mess and go back up again?

Public is proper dumbed down by these disgusting personality bashing culture that diverts attention from real issues, policies and institutions, and sadly this disgusting trend has become the sole face of Pakistani politics.

Anyway, in current state, FATA should not be merged with KPK. Absolutely not, and not until the the war is fully concluded. And once everyone is done with their monthly quota IK bashing, they can perhaps also offer a line or two stating exactly what army and the government should do now that NW is declared 'free' and 'empty'.

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Criticising is one thing, but criticizing something that other person never said or stands for is another. Its called bullsh!tting. Like this statement that IK supports Taliban. You make up this statement and starts criticising IK for it, when it is not even true. I wonder how do people come to this conclusion that he supports Talibans. Does he give them money, arms, training, food and shelter. Does he tell them to do terrorists activities. Does he share any information with them. No, then how does he support them.

Mere suggesting a political solution through talks along with the targeted operation makes him a Taliban supporter. wah, kya baat hai. I have noticed many older people in their 50s and 60s feeling very jealous of IK. I cant think of any other possible scenario where someone would just criticise someone else and have very biased opinions, without having any logical argument.

I remember people who are asking others to make sensible suggestions, openly supported the operations couple of years ago. What did we get out of those operations? More terrorism! And yet they want more operations. They need to figure out that are we even ready for the fall out of the new operations. Do we have the intelligence agencies and police enforcement to protect each and every part of the country against these attacks. Our Police cant even protect themselves, how are they going to protect everyone else. We dont even have the means to rescue 7 people trapped somewhere for several hours. Our politicians and bureaucrats couldnt even figure out whose responsibility it was to protect that Airport. We are a 3rd world country, we cant afford this war. People sitting in their comfy chairs campaigning for the War, should volunteer, join the Army and lead by example.

These people who have no stake in the outcome, does not have any right to criticise or suggest how things should be handled.

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It's a porous border, they will regroup and come back. No, the army can't win against these criminals. It was the same army who funded, trained, and supplied these battled hardened fighters for the last 30 years.

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If the Pakistan army was capable of defending its borders, would it have relied on these militants 35 years ago? A point to ponder...

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Really good. But they will come back when things settle down. This is why Pakistan and Afghanistan need to coordinate their efforts against them. Otherwise they will continue going back and forth.

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The question is: what make IK a taliban supporter? If its for peace talks, then we can label all politcal parties & army for being taliban supporters, since they all supported talks just some months ago.

If its for his 14 years mantra for tackling this war on terror another way, then he has clarified him self many times how we should seperate those who wants to talk or not. Cause if we can achieve of our success by talks, whats better?

Now, how realstic peace talks are, can be debated. We have seen how these militans have been operating, and its very clear what TTP wants or not. But if its believed that some militans groups are ready for negotiotions, then we have at least isolated many of those who arent.

Thats what Ik said in jan 2014 before the talks:

"Khan said his party would stand by the army when times come to launch a military operation. "

In oct 2013:

" Khan said if it became clear that negotiation was not going to work, he would reluctantly go along with an operation in North Waziristan. "I am anti-war," he said. "I do not believe in military solutions. But in end if we are left with no option I will go along with it."

Recently:

“The government must ensure that those seeking dialogue are separated from those continuing to carry out acts of terror and to isolate the latter so action can be taken against them,” he added."

So back to the first question, what makes him Taliban supporter? If its cause some other parties has been chanting " operation " " operation" all day long, but didnt do a jack in their period, and Imran is not, then this topic is not even worth to discuss.

Instead of IK I believe those who label him as Taliban supporter are confused, since they dont know on what base they are accusing hIm on.