AQ - if you can prove to me otherwise, I doubt woman is made from the rib. Which I'm sure you can't. Because you're taking the translation literally. Unless you yourself have a PhD in Arabic, or something along those lines, then I'd prefer to listen to the wisdom of others who most likely have done the proper reasearch.
I said it in some other threads, and I say it again here - its a pity we don't have lots of modern day scholars doing active research on these things.
It is quite evident that some of us firmly believe in ahadith, while others may not or prefer to support the ahadith that clearly confirm the message in Quran. I think if we could all be a little tolerant of each others’ beliefs we wouldn’t have to be indulging ourselves in arguments day in and day out.
Why can’t the two sides learn to accept the views of the other side without getting into unnecessary arguments?
Just so happened that I had to look up this hadith for an individual and I thought I might as well post it here. I only posted the ahadith as I found them to be sending a good message to the male folks that they should be kind and gentle towards their wives. It was only a form of reminder.
Well I like Maulana Sadiq's work quite a bit - he is an Indian Scholar, and I'm a little annoyed with Muslims that decided to stay in India, but whatever. He is pretty brave to look at things openly.
I also know of one who lives in Cali - he was persecuted by his homeland so he left. He was talking about how its OKAY to keep dogs as pets. I forget his name though.
^ that is so narrow-minded. I haven’t rejected the hadith. I just looked up some background info on it and presented it to everyone. Ab agar data hi keh raha hai ke yeh hadith zara si falthoo lagti hai, tho yeh tho scholars hi keh rahe hain. :halo:
PCG, tell us a little about Maulan Sadiq. I've never heard of him. Also, what's the source for the material that you shared? I'll try to skim through it as soon as I'm done with the exams. It's always good to learn what others have to say.
Unfortunately he doesn’t have a homepage. He is shia though, but his arguments on this hadith don’t have to do with shia-sunni differences as far as I know - he’s just arguing based on the background of Abu Huraira.
disappointed my behind - you posted a hadith - and I gave you what opposing scholars say about it - and you will NEVER be able to prove that Eve was physically made from Adam's rib because 1. Its scientifcally impossible - he would have been dead if that happened.
and 2. The Quran has no mention for it at all.
If anything, you continually disappoint me with your sheep-herd type thinking.
i honestly thought this was an anti-christian thread . i didnt know Muslims believed this too.
at any rate, I agree with PCG on this issue, in particular this verse:
the other translation i found was:
both would directly contradict the hadees. the Quran explicitly talks about the creation of men and women, and does not mention any rib as a source. secondly, the idea of the hadees is that since Adam and Eve are compositionally different, one being constructed from a rib, and thereby hard to bend waghera, they should be treated differently. Read both of the above translations, and see how that clashes with “created of like nature” and “created from the same soul”
as I understand it, sunnis too believe in Ahadees so long as they dont contradict the Quran. this one certainly does.
Maulana Sadiq should improve his research... for example the 'rib' hadith is not reported by Abu Huraira alone... the following companions also relate it:
-- Aisha - as in Musnad Ahmed ibn Hanbal (25822) and al Tabarani's Mu'jam al Awsat (981) with an authentic chain according to al Haythami in Majma al Zawa'id (7624)
-- Abu Dharr - as in al Bukhari's work al Adab al Mufrad (748) with a hasan/fair chain according to al Albani in Sahih al Adab al Mufrad (574)
-- Samurah ibn Jundub - in Mustadrak ala Sahihayn (7333) by al Hakim who declared it authentic and in al Tabarani's Mu'jam al Kabir (6848)
-- Abu Musa al Ashari – as referenced in al Hindi's Kanz al Amal (44979)
-- Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (without attribution to the Prophet saw) - in Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba (15722)
Perhaps the only way to reconcile these hadith with the Quran is that it is meant in a figurative sense, as a metaphor. Not that Eve was actually created from the rib.
To be quite honest, she might have been, she may not have been. Maybe she was, and maybe God saw how we humans manipulated that to put women down, and left it out of the Quran so that we wouldn't have the chance to put women down. That's one hypothesis.
Maybe its just not important how she was made, and that she is just like Adam in nature - isn't that what is important?
Yes, I am beginning to lean now towards the idea that the hadith is being used in a poetic sense. I also like the argument on how the arabic word for "created" used in the hadith does not necessarily mean physically created from. Anyone have a counter-argument to that one?
AQ - no one is doubting the powers of God. But at the same time, its a bit improper to take things literally without donig further research on them and then attribute a particular action that took place in the history of mankind as part of God's work when it wasn't necessarily.
Ibn Abbas:razi: and a group of companions narrate that the following conversation took place between Adam and Hawwa:
He asked her: “who are you?”
She replied: “A woman/(in arabic imra’ah.”)
He asked: “Why have you been created ?”
She said: “So that you could find tranquility in me.”
Then, the angels asked Adam her name, and he said: “Hawwa/Eve.”
They asked: “Why was she so named?”
He replied: “Because she was created from something living (the rib)” (The word Hawwa in arabic comes from the root “hay” meaning alive). (Ibn Katheer’s Stories of the Prophets, 16-17)
. i didnt know Muslims believed this too.
