Following one Particular Imam in every Juristic Issue

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^Then acknowledge that the ruling of following only 1 Imam is arbitrary and not a hard & fast God sent rule.

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Why? I am just a layman that's why I said I don't know.. ask a scholar if you really want to learn.

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I asked scholars, some said the Fiqh of majority shud be followed, others said, its just a hypothetical question and they won’t answer.

By the way Hanafis of syria allow people to follow rulings from different Imams at same time as long as the ruling is followed in its entirety, like a prson can pray like Maliki and fast like Shafi’i. This is called Talfiq. Ibn Abidin one of the most respected Hanafi scholars allows it. His books are taught in Hanafi Madrassas in Pakistan.

And you can read this Fatwa by Sheikh Faraz Rabbani a hanafi, based upon Talfiq.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=9753

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Thanks for that.

this is an article from the same link.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3815&CATE=23

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Iconoclast, it will depend upon the region, and who they follow. Its evident from hadiths that meccans followed, Ibn Abbas r.a. and people of Medina followed Zain ibn Thabit.

All under ONE state. So its not really a concern or a problem. As long as the view is correct, and if people give preference to one over the other and not pick and choose.

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And when a Hanafi brother is in need of a ruling from a different madhab, he has to get permisison from a fuqhi, before he can apply that ruling.

So adopting a ruling from another madhab is allowed, only after the situation has been analyzed by a man of knowledge.

Not like us bollywood watching, secular oriented, every moment sinning, disobeying layman illiterate people like us.

If a married Muslim man seeing some other woman.
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I have less knowledge. I need to study and research a lot in order to decide which one is right.

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All 4 are right, and you pick the one that is followed in your area, which is more accessable.

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Madhab Of The Convert.

What is the hukm (law) for a convert to Islam or for one who wishes to switch from his state of non-taqleed to taqleed? Which Madhab does he have to follow?
If such a person lives in a place where a particular Madhab is dominant, then he should follow the Madhab by virtue of its dominance. If he happens to be in a place where several madhaa’hib are in operation on a more or less equivalent basis, then he will be free to choose any Madhab acceptable to him. However, once the choice is made he will be obliged to remain steadfast on the Madhab of his choice. In cases where it is difficult to act in accordance with one’s Madhab due to a dearth of Ulama of one’s Madhab; moreover for the one who is not an Aalim, it will be permissible, in fact compulsory, to adopt the Madhab which happens to be predominant in the place where one happens to be. For a person in such circumstances Taqleed-us-Shakhsi of his former Madhab will not be compulsory. He will be obliged to choose from the four madhaaib the madhab which is dominant in his particular circumstance. However, such cases are rare. The general rule in force is the wujub of Taqleed-us-Shakhsi.

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With all due respect Sir, you still did not catch my point and I am not talking specifically about you either. What I had said or meant to say is inspite the fact or assumption that all are correct, when people of two different madahib are confronted under common circumstances they tend to deviate from each other than rather concede for the sake of unity. The masjid example I gave demonstrated this very fact.

The masjid example I gave is a real life example. Its not about argument rather if Sha'afi or Hanafi both being correct it shouldn't have mattered which way the Imam chose to pray. They should have followed the Imam irrespective of his madhab especially when they were supposed to pray in congregation. Their ignorance split the congregation. You reply is totally out of line.

My statement is not absurd at all. The primary sources of fiqh are Quran, Hadith and history. There were no widespread or standard compilations of hadith in the time of these great jurists.

The judgement of theirs is definitely sound based on their time. We are not living 1400 years in the past. The problems and global structure of todays society is different. Even the professions and knowledge base on which humanity thrives is poles apart.

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Ok, I see where the problem lies :)

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Crescent_

When you implement Islamic laws in a state they have to be uniform throughout the state. State can leave the issues of Salah, Zakah and Zikr to individuals and whatever they want to follow. However, i am talking about laws that pertain to social structure of society.

What about family laws, like Nikah, Talaq, custody etc.

What if a woman is Shafi'i and marries a maliki man, and they have divorce issue. Who's Fiqh will be followed?

What i have understood from reading of history is that this Fatwas of following only 1 madhab was given centuries later than the time of 4 Imams themselves. I acknowledge that the intentions were good, so that people won't "shop around" for convinient opinion, but extreme isistence on it is not warranted. Coz, this is based upon conjecture and NOT "Nus".

By the way, did Ibn Abbas or Zaid bib Thabit, insist that one that follows them has to follow in all issues or not follow them at all? Was there any such all or none principle at any time dring the time of 4 Imams?

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Salam Alaikom...this is just a rhetorical question, well no not really I guess. A 'sounding' out perhaps is more appropriate.
If, as a revert I find what I have been practising is challenged by a scholar...and the reasoning enters my heart and it could be MORE demanding than my previous practice, is that okay?

You see I have done this on a few occasions in the past, and I understood Islam to be a search for knowledge and improvement of the way one seeks the guidance of Allah S.W.A.

I follow the Quran and sunnah and regularly read and cross reference Hadiths. To make certain of authenticity...having learned that it is easy to fall unwittingly into error. (I had read a 'weak' Hadith that both men and women are forbidden gold, but was informed about checking Hadiths lineage because women are allowed gold...)

Also as a 'revert' to Islam (or 'convert') I am always finding that I have to seek knowledge, and seem to have a thirst and times of really wanting to either immerse myself in the Quran or otherwise watch Islam channels and read. I am sure that over 6 years I must have adopted a 'fusion' of the schools...simply because I had not heard of any decree which stated that I must find a school.

So in my case (and no doubt the case of many 'newbies', what are we meant to do????? Even after the fact?????

May Allah bless & reward you for your patience with me

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I don't think there is any religion which doesn't have 'challenges by scholars within'.

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Yes they did insist. For example :

there was an incident where People of medina came for hajj or something, and a women who did her ziara, now hewr periods came up, now before departuring she can't do al-wida, so medina people asked this ruling from Ibn Abbas r.a., but Ibn zain Thabit r.a. gave a different' ruling, and Ibn Abbas r.a. insisted that they follow zain ibn thabit r.a. because they were from medina and have been following his rulings.

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JAK.

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The only valid reason I see not to mingle these different madhabs is to prevent fitna. As these madhabs are based on personal observation of Sahabas as how Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) performed different duties at different times, so all are valid. And as Prophet Mohammad did things differently at different times, it will be insane to asumme that it will be sin if it is done similarly. Religious scholars should have the courage to spread the message of tolerance amongst different groups.

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In my view, the ruling in the first post applies to people who can not read, understand and weigh different arguments to an issue or who can not make up their own minds about an issue. And secondly it says don't pick and choose just because some thing appears "easy" or "convenient".

Masha Allah, most of you are educated people. You don't have to be a 100% scholar of quran and hadith and Arabic to research one issue. On any given issue you can read up opinions from multiple scholars, read up the sources they used to reach their conclusion and determine which source appears more accurate to you. Of course, this means you have to be willing to spend some time to understand what they are saying and absorbing various different thought processes. If, after reading all sides of an issue, you believe that one side of the issue has a better argument, not necessarily the most convenient solution, then you can follow it. Thats the essence of being educated. Which, as I said before, most of you are.

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^^
Every single person who posts here falls under that article and is a layman, even majority of the scholars today have no choice but to follow one Imam even if they find a hadees contradictory to their Imams view.

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I am not about to start issuing fatwas and tell others to do as I say, but where it concerns me, like everything else in life, I make my own decisions, based on the best information available to me, and I can tell you what I think and why. If I am right, I am right. If I am not right, I still get reward for making an effort. Worst thing, IMO, is not making an effort and blame it all on others.

When Islam stresses so much on education, this is what it means. This is why it is fardh on every muslim man and woman to get education. We grossly underestimate ourselves and leave it all to other people. May be its just laziness. Or may be some people create this misconception that it is such a huge and gigantic task that others better not dabble into it. This is a classic method of stagnating minds and to stop people from thinking. And more people than we expect fall into this trap every day.