outlaw… baaz aajao! 
You watch soccer for turn-ons? 
array faisal yaar, samjha karo .. where did our residents proponents of freedom go..I really want to hear ‘their’ characterization of freedom..now since I have a new given title of being ‘narrow-minded’ 
i think this is a ploy to break up the Afghan female soccer team
Do you honestly believe in the statement? That freedom makes women being treated as sex objects inevitable? Or when women ask for freedom/equality they shouldn't be alarmed if they are treated as sex items? Anyone who believes that statement is basically saying that women should stay indoors or then be prepared to be treated in the above mentioned manner OR truly knows how perverted and pathetic majority of the male brains are that when they see a woman playing football (for example) all they see them as is sex objects.
This guy knows how the male brain works so he wants to exploit it to the maximum. Who doesn't know how many men will show up drooling to see women playing football scantily clad. Ofcourse it is going to add more thrill/excitement to the game and guess who makes the money!
Going by your statement women should never have started playing any sports if they didn't want some a-hole of a man coming up with suggestions like this. How about men think for their brain for once...the one in their skull!
It really depends on the definition of freedom, and to degrees, which it could be exploited. If freedom means overall transformation and uplifting of social stature, then it's noble. But, to an extent where it's rooted in the form of decay is simply abhorrent. You seem reasonable enough to clearly understand the distinction between both forms of freedom, and I am clearly condemning the perverted one
Anyone who believes that statement is basically saying that women should stay indoors or then be prepared to be treated in the above mentioned manner OR truly knows how perverted and pathetic majority of the male brains are that when they see a woman playing football (for example) all they see them as is sex objects.
This guy knows how the male brain works so he wants to exploit it to the maximum. Who doesn't know how many men will show up drooling to see women playing football scantily clad. Ofcourse it is going to add more thrill/excitement to the game and guess who makes the money!
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I couldn't make much sense of this bafflegab. I am just stating that the person has a point in a society where commercialization revolves around sex, and womanizing, it's should come as no surprise, and subsequent uproar is an act which is hypocritical.
Going by your statement women should never have started playing any sports if they didn't want some a-hole of a man coming up with suggestions like this. How about men think for their brain for once...the one in their skull!<<
I think you are taking it too personally, and trying to derive the wrong meaning out of my context. I haven't stated anywhere that women should or shouldn't play sports. The issue is only of dress code. Again, in a society, where sex has become an integral part of commercialization, and sports is one of the major money making activities, then why such a statement causes so much outcry. I totally fail to understand.
Initially I thought u did mean it thus the intial response. But you cleared that out with your second post. I understand your point of view.
As for the outcry, why not. I think it would be far worse and a greater sign of moral decadance if there was no outcry. It appears that you think it would be normal for all the women players to welcome such a suggestion, or not react to it considering they should have become immune and accustomed to the whole idea of selling via sex/sexuality in such societies? I think the women are right to have found it offensive. They are professional players and are in it for the game. There are certain domains where it has become normal for women to be used as sex items to increase sales, popularity whatever. But that cannot and should not be used in very domain.
I'm short of time but lemme see if I can give you an example to get my point across. Take T-mobile for example. When they advertise for it on tv they have catherine zeta jones wearing black, looking all sexy for the sake of getting attention. That is what has become acceptable in these societies. But if you require the employees at a T-mobile store to dress up in black dresses revealing a whole lot of leg and cleavage to make sure their business does well that will cause an uproar. This football thing is a similar case. Therefore I agree with and support the outcry!
Attack by Fairer SEX on KK. Bhago Ehsan Bhai.. Runnnnnnnnnnnn
Exactly FF! :k:
What kind of message is it giving society, and more importantly, young girls who want to play sports if the organizers want their star atheletes all sexed up for the audience? Yeah, it has already happened in tennis. Does that mean that they have to start enforcing the same/similar dress code on soccer players? Why can’t they just be appreciated as they are … which is for their skill? Women are successfully playing soccer without putting their “assets” on display. They are recognized for their skill which is what makes them stand out from a lot of other female atheletes. Very few female tennis players are actually famous for their tennis skills. Who is the most famous tennis player at the moment? Anna Kournikova. Is she actually any good at the sport when compared to the likes of the Williams’ sisters? Absolutely not. It would be a shame if the same started happening in soccer thanks to a sexier dress code.
Anyway, as Femme has stated, the outcry is completely acceptable in this case.
If that buffoon in FIFA had merely said that "female soccer teams should create their own niche and marketing and should come up with a more appropriate dress for their players, rather than just copying men's uniform", there would probably be much less uproar.
In any case, tennis is an individual game, where each player, man or woman, can show their fashion sense by dressing a bit differently. In soccer, like volleyball, the whole team has to dress alike, so one player getting ahead due to skanky clothing is probably not going to happen.
Women of soccer may feel outraged by the assumption that they are considered sex objects and not athletes, but at the same time, they should realize that other sports have gone through the same change. Are we suggesting that the female gymnasts dress the way they do purely for athletic reasons? Or that the micro-mini skirt of female tennis players or the skin-tight shorts worn by female volleyball players is a blackmark against their athletism?
ye Generalites ki saazish hay 
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Initially I thought u did mean it thus the intial response. But you cleared that out with your second post. I understand your point of view.
As for the outcry, why not. I think it would be far worse and a greater sign of moral decadance if there was no outcry. It appears that you think it would be normal for all the women players to welcome such a suggestion, or not react to it considering they should have become immune and accustomed to the whole idea of selling via sex/sexuality in such societies? I think the women are right to have found it offensive. They are professional players and are in it for the game. There are certain domains where it has become normal for women to be used as sex items to increase sales, popularity whatever. But that cannot and should not be used in very domain.
I'm short of time but lemme see if I can give you an example to get my point across. Take T-mobile for example. When they advertise for it on tv they have catherine zeta jones wearing black, looking all sexy for the sake of getting attention. That is what has become acceptable in these societies. But if you require the employees at a T-mobile store to dress up in black dresses revealing a whole lot of leg and cleavage to make sure their business does well that will cause an uproar. This football thing is a similar case. Therefore I agree with and support the outcry!
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FF give me a break. As if most of these women would have a problem putting bikinis , let's say on a beach. And don't tell us that women put bikinis on just to get a great suntan. You may say that I am being cynical and grossly generalizing, or that's their private lives, but really, is there any difference between a woman in a bikini on soccer field or on a beach. To me that's duplicity, and you just cannot categorize them into different domains, and apply different sets of standards. And whatever the traits or trends maybe, the roots go back to the hypocritical standards incessant in the society. That's the role a lot of women decide to choose - sex objects - and when someone comes up with raunchy remarks such as the ones made by FIFA's president, he is criticized. I think he's brilliant in suggesting a financially vibrant business model; why not throw in a bit of sexiness in sports played by women to attract more sponsors, and audience. That's the trend, everyone is doing it, so why not soccer then..
but really, is there any difference between a woman in a bikini on soccer field or on a beach. To me that's duplicity, and you just cannot categorize them into different domains, and apply different sets of standards. <<
guess which modest brother showers with his dhotti-banyan on...
lil' queery..seems like you are living too much off of dung..or is it smokin too...come again, since you ain't makin any sense.
the president(whatever the hell his name is) is right - sex sells - and FIFA women could be billions of dollars league if it is prompoted(well you get the idea how Tennis has been around because of Anna ;) ) - few months ago - Women's world cup was held in the U.S. and hardly anybody noticed - there are not many fans of women soccer.
however i don't think it would be good idea to have women in tight ass skirts - basically it won't work with all that sweating but it will make guys on drolling for sure!
i don't remember if there was a stir when Brandi Chastain took her shirt off in 1999 world cup final - it was high emotional and intense game for the U.S. - had it been another girl she wouldn't have done it differently - btw that was Brandi Chastain's first ever world cup winning goal in Soccer!
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, but really, is there any difference between a woman in a bikini on soccer field or on a beach. To me that's duplicity, and you just cannot categorize them into different domains, and apply different sets of standards.
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Thats almost funny. A bikini is the dress code for the beach. Everyone wears it. There is a place for everything. Just cos someone doesn;t have a problem dressing a certain way at a certain place doesn't mean he/she should wear it everywhere alike! There is a time and occasion for everything. I don't see any duplicity there.
haaaaaaaaa haaa wat a desperate dan!!
what?! does this mean no more dhotti-banyan in the shower for our modest brother?
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Thats almost funny. A bikini is the dress code for the beach. Everyone wears it. There is a place for everything. Just cos someone doesn;t have a problem dressing a certain way at a certain place doesn't mean he/she should wear it everywhere alike! There is a time and occasion for everything. I don't see any duplicity there.
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awww..now, you don't need to make it all sound like wish-washy. I think all the strippers would more or less say the same thing or have the same ethics such as "there's a time and occasion for everything". But, do you really think when a woman 'X' has no problem stripping down to bare minimum, for the pleasure men at one place (beach), then why such remarks from the FIFA's presidents are cause of such affliction and repugnance for the same woman 'X'? Considering, in a society where commercialization is often based on women being casted as alluring and seductive components. But, it's freedom to express which we keep so dearly occluded to us, and agreed that we have limited free-will and choices to exercise, however, at the same time such expectations should come as no surprise, since the society itself to a larger degree is based upon such sunken foundations. To me that's pretty hollow, and so is your argument.
The world doesn't revolve around men Outlaw. Wake up! They dress up in bikinis for men??? So they should be dressing up in those full length swimming costumes where there are no men? In al all ladies spa they should be wearing abayas??? What bs! Most men are such sorry souls that they would derive pleasure with much less than a bikini in sight! If the players had no problem with it or wanted to attract an audience for their bodies not fortheir game they would have come up with it themselves. Till then wait and keep your fingers crossed. Your wishes might be answered!
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The world doesn't revolve around men Outlaw. Wake up! They dress up in bikinis for men??? So they should be dressing up in those full length swimming costumes where there are no men? In al all ladies spa they should be wearing abayas??? What bs! Most men are such sorry souls that they would derive pleasure with much less than a bikini in sight! If the players had no problem with it or wanted to attract an audience for their bodies not fortheir game they would have come up with it themselves. Till then wait and keep your fingers crossed. Your wishes might be answered!
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Whatever you choose to believe, the fact remains that such promiscuous expectations by men is the culminataion, and consequence of one of the many prevalent sexually elucidative values amongst women. Showing of flesh is showing of flesh. period. You just cannot segregate and isolate commonly shared customs that are so deeply ingrained in society, and try to allot different standards. You can console all you want or try to base your flimsy argument on phoniness, but, it reeks double standards just like the societal values you are so vehemently trying to dissimulate. Mark my words, within the next ten years, if not through requisition, the women soccer players will be dressed in much provocative outfits by their own choice. That's been happening throughout the recent history in almost every sphere under the commercial spotlight; it's progression, or the way I look at it, plain degeneration. There's not a diddly squat you or i can do about it...