Re: Fertility Treatment from a Religious Perspective
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^ so if a husband and wife's fertilized embryo is planted into another woman's uterus, that is allowed?
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No. Fertility treatments are permitted as long as there is no third party involvement. Meaning the eggs, sperm and uterus is all from the couple undergoing treatment -no donor eggs, no donor sperm, no gestational carrier
Re: Fertility Treatment from a Religious Perspective
njgal , the womb would also have another man's sperm which is equivalent to zinna or another woman's egg which again is not allowed in islam
The definition of act of zina in Islamic shariat is much more complicated than the one given here.
For the sake of modesty and to keep these forums family forums I cannot copy the real definition of zina.
Re: Fertility Treatment from a Religious Perspective
How is it zina if the surrogate mother has not has sexual intercourse. She's just carrying the fetus. Like an oven.
I seriously doubt if we could actually call such situation Zina. Its more like an organ or blood donation type of thing. Legal Zina is something totally different and involves an actual sexual act. Yes we know that if you see anything (like porn or a naked na mehram) its Aankhon ka zina - but there is no legal islamic ruling on that, its more of a metaphor. So we cannot call surrogation, Zina.
Re: Fertility Treatment from a Religious Perspective
It’s a bit more than spoon feeding and I was talking about if lady A was actually his 2nd wife.
You have to ponder that Allah has given permission to create a family with multiple wives. Those wives share a common husband and children but they cannot share an egg. Why?
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I seriously doubt if we could actually call such situation Zina. Its more like an organ or blood donation type of thing. Legal Zina is something totally different and involves an actual sexual act. Yes we know that if you see anything (like porn or a naked na mehram) its Aankhon ka zina - but there is no legal islamic ruling on that, its more of a metaphor. So we cannot call surrogation, Zina.
soooo if it's not zinnah - why is not allowed? explain mufti sahib.
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I just realized that I have contradicted myself here so if I answer this question, I cannot answer the one below
I think its not Zinah, molvis think that it is. That is the simplest answer
Zina is an act of sexual intercourse, we all know that part. Surrogation in my opinion could be seen as organ/blood transplant. That is also haraam btw, but allowed to save a life. If we can establish that surrogation saves a life (of a baby who would not form or collapse or die, if fetus is left inside biological mother) then we have a legal case in favor of Surrogation.
Islam has a very simple rule. All harams become Halal if it needs to be done to save a life.
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I think because of this Hadith :
“There is no sin after association greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’’
Is encapsulating the idea that not only zina, but to place the agent of life giving material into an unlawful womb is not allowed.
Otherwise, using the argument of surrogate second wife compared to nursing mothers ... Well that is one for the scholars to decide. It is a good argument! Considerably so for egg donor second wives.
Re: Fertility Treatment from a Religious Perspective
I think because of this Hadith :
“There is no sin after association greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’’
Is encapsulating the idea that not only zina, but to place the agent of life giving material into an unlawful womb is not allowed.
Otherwise, using the argument of surrogate second wife compared to nursing mothers ... Well that is one for the scholars to decide. It is a good argument! Considerably so for egg donor second wives.
Brother you are taking this verse too literal. You very well know that the intention of this verse is not the one you are insinuating to.
If we take this verse for its literal meaning then we will have to scratch off the condition of 4 eye witnesses needed for implementing the punishment for zina.
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And therein lies the problem.........
intention of rulings and verses are often not adhered to because it may not suit the purpose of the parties involved.
