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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Well, the general rule of thumb is that all prophets in previous divine faiths are accepted by Islam as well.
Hazrat Maryam (Miriam) - Peace be upon her - we all know.
Who is Deborah?
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Which means that Miriam is considered a prophetess?
Deborah's story can be found in Judges 4 and 5.
Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time. She held court.....and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided. She sent for Barak....and said to him, "The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you......" - Judges 4v4-6
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*Faisal: *
Its known to Old Man, and pretty soon you will know. Pls be patient.
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Hazrat Mariam :as: certainly had revelation from Allah (wahi) and she was mother of prophet. So she was not an ordinary lady, not sure about her being prophetess. Maybe we consider her saint ?
Just wanted to add u can search for Dr. Zakir Naik on the web & download his speech on Women’s Rights in Islam. It may answer most of ur questions. Islam beleives in equality of men & women, equality is not identicality, neither physical nor spritual or in any other form.
If you really really seek such answers Suroor and donot just wish to cause a riot here, then ask Allah and ask sincearly...
Ive seen many people who've started out their lives being highly critical of islam but once they gave it a chance and asked Allah, they got their questions answered.
Well...isn't bibi mariam supposed to have had some form of communication with the divine when she was told about her son-to-be, etc. ?
Given that evidence, I think women are capable of divine communication just as much as men are.
The role of a prophet is different, because it not only involves divine communication. It involves human communication, which often comes in the form of harsh rebuke from a population that is initially not wanting to accept a challenge to their current way of life.
If you were an executive boss and you wanted to get a message across to your clients - would you send a representative that would be able to do persuade them or one that wouldn't be taken seriously?
If a prophetess was sent to a population in need of guidance - hell, they didn't take the male prophets seriously. Do you think they'd take a woman seriously? A male prophet has more of a chance of actually getting thru to the population.
Now, I'm not sure about this, but I've heard rumours of there being female prophets - minor , for probably different populations (I'm thinking the ones that are maternal based or very female-dominated - and yes, there were such societies). Don't know if that's true or not or even what evidence is out there in support of it.
As for women's bodies taking punishment better...ummm....
Okay, so women have a different form of strength. Our muscles are strong in the abdominal area - certain muscles - the ones involved in childbirth.
Aside from that - men are actually stronger than women, on average. But that's not grounds to prove that a man could take a brutal beating better than a woman could. I think even men who get beat up do feel the pain...
I don't know - I prefer to stick with the argument that a man is more persuasive simply because WE have built our societies to be paternal for the most part. It is because the way WE have chosen to structure society, that we would believe the male over the female. Or at least take him more seriously.
I mean, talk to women who work - they will tell you that they have to bust their chops more to get their bosses to take them more seriously.
Also, I agree with Ravage in that Islam tends to protect women from hurt - the job of a prophetess involves a great deal of pain and torture - and its a job. So, if women are not required to work (although they could if they wanted to), then why would a woman be given the burden of being a prophetess. Supposedly, getting divine information was pretty painful. Literature says that the Rasul would have seizure-like moments when getting revelation and that he claimed he had trouble breathing and there was a lot of pain. I don't know. I don't think I'd want that kind of a job.
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*Originally posted by Mr. K: *
Islam has given equal rights to women. Women oppression has to be blamed on culture and traditions. Islam is perfect.
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So how come many nicks keep on attacking other faiths (e.g. Hinduism) when an abominable (and now abandoned) practice of sati is also a cultural disgrace but not sanctioned by our religion?
Simply because we have choice and freedom to choose our own religion and make up your own mind.
And perhaps because a lot of us tend not to be open minded enough :)
Anyways, would you show me conversion statistics for hinduism ? Being born into a religion one is more likely to follow it and believe in it than an outsider.
Folks, this discussion is about female Prophets, and not about sati. Kindly stick to the topic. If you do wish to discuss sati, please open a separate discussion, or let me know and I can either open one for you or split this one so you can continue.
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*Originally posted by Maniac: *
Simply because we have choice and freedom to choose our own religion and make up your own mind.
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Not as easy as you claim. Most if not all of us do not choose the religion we practice. We are born into a religion and let us not pretend that you or I are going to give up our immediate and extended families, friends and neighbors just to change the religion. Most guppies would not want to admit it but our families are 100 times more important to us than our religion. Our religion is our religion because it is their religion. Any other pretense is nonsense.
Most guppies would not want to admit it but our families are 100 times more important to us than our religion. Our religion is our religion because it is their religion. Any other pretense is nonsense.
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It's thinking like this that probably sowed the seeds of sati in some hindu's mind...
Actually the seeds of sati became formed in the battlegrounds of Rajasthan and western punjab to ward of the raping of the local women at hands of islamic hordes. Those that got raped, converted and gave rise to gupguppies.
