FBI seizes Saudi embassy records

Strange! I thoaught embassies were immuned…

FBI seizes Saudi embassy records

Monday 24 November 2003, 12:37 Makka Time, 9:37 GMT

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation has subpoenaed Saudi Arabia embassy bank account records as part of a probe into the financing of Islamist groups.

According to the Washington Post on Sunday, the seizure was justified as an attempt to “determine whether Saudi government money knowingly or unknowingly helped fund extremists”.

The probe, requested by congressional leaders and approved by the National Security Council, is unprecedented and has outraged Saudi Arabian officials.

Embassy staff reaction

“If you want this information, why didn’t you just ask us? We would have given it to you,” a senior Saudi official was quoted as saying.

The government of Saudi Arabia has subsequently turned over embassy spending records for the past 20 years, the official said, adding: “We have nothing to hide.”

The probe, which extends to the activities of Saudi Arabia consulates across the US, began this August.

It was launched as the US and the Saudi Arabian governments were hailing a new era of cooperation in fighting various Islamist organisations such as al-Qaida - and shortly after the deportation of a Los Angeles consulate staff member.

The Saudi Arabian official told the Post that the large sums of money that pass through the embassy are accounted for, with most of it - $160 million a year - going to Saudi Arabian students studying in the US.

“The notion that we can send money here and not account for it is preposterous. We are not a banana republic.”

Analysis

Saudi Arabian political analyst Zuhair al-Harithi told Aljazeera on Monday that the investigation may negatively affect the US-Saudi relationship.

“Such a procedure is unacceptable - it is against the international law,” he said.

“No government has ever probed into the bank accounts of embassies, as every embassy has its own diplomatic immunity,” he said.

Al-Harithi also believes that this probe comes in the context of the US propaganda campaign against Saudi Arabia.

“Despite security co-operation between the United States and Saudi Arabia, some neoconservatives in the US administration want to break ties, aggressively pursuing any opportunity to deteriorate relations,” he added.

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Diplomatic immunity is useful if only if you are willing to invoke it. In this case, Saudis seems more than happy to bow to their American masters, so it became a moot point.

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... to bow to their American masters....
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I don't understand this statement, explain.

On the other hand, they may feel that by using diplomatic immunity etc they may not have to give the records but deal with suspicion, and this way they can be clear and go on beyond the current situation. Maybe it weill put conspiracy theories ot rest, and maybe it will flush out some black sheep in their midst.

Well the Americans have siezed the oil in middle east is it surprisng they have seized embassy records not really!

they really think they can go anywhere do what they like then when there GI's start get killed they ask why what did we do wrong!

Diplomatic doesnt have to be invoked. It is there and can not be violated. Ambassadors and embassy staff dont invoke diplomatic immunity under any circumstance, be it a murder charge or a simple speeding ticket. They are already exempt. Take it this way, diplomatic immunity is a constant, it does not need to be invoked. The US violated the immunity, while Saudi officials dont want to say much, even if they can.

what exactly are they expecting to find from these records? USA knows about each and every involvement of saudis in many attacks. why this drama now? is it just to show the public that they are not going to let the saudis go that easily. steer up a few waves and then let them die down slowly.

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Well the Americans have siezed the oil in middle east is it surprisng they have seized embassy records not really!

they really think they can go anywhere do what they like then when there GI's start get killed they ask why what did we do wrong!
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They the Americans have not siezed the oil...rather it has turned the opposite... :)

Sometimes it is helpful to know a little bit about a concept before commenting. The article says “US Federal Bureau of Investigation has subpoenaed Saudi Arabia embassy bank account records.” People have immunity – documents do not. Generally speaking, ** people ** with diplomatic immunity may not be Subpoenaed as Witnesses. (for a chart on what and who is covered by diplomatic immunity, see http://www.state.gov/m/ds/immunities/c9127.htm .

A subpoena duces tecum does not demand testimony from anyone as a witness. It only requires production of documents.

Further, it is wholly unclear from the article whether anyone in the Saudi Embassy was subpoenaed for the records or rather whether the subpoenas were directed to banks maintaining accounts on behalf of the Embassy.

Whatever the records turn up, Embassy officials would likely be immune from prosecution if they violated the law. The subpoena for records sounds more like trying to gather facts for informational purposes rather than gathering facts for future potential prosecution.

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Unless they get classified as enemy combatants :) then off to Cuba it is..and not for cigars either

With that kind of outside-the-box thinking, the NSA should keep a position open for you. :k: If I see the chief on my next break, I’ll suggest it to him. Any salary requirements?

salary requirements are $250K/yr, subsidised housing, official, cover position as a global strategy analyst with a think tank, or a company that focuses heavily on govt work like booz allen or halliburton.

I will take the next flight if that is a go.

sheesh, it ook thislong, i thought after 9/11 that i could be a great resource to NSA and CIA, but damn their recruitment, they just dunno how to find good ppl.

Al-Jazeera strikes again.

Read carefully. A supeona was issued( a supeona is essentially a demand), nothing was "seized". The Saudis's could have gone to court and claimed diplomatic immunity, and they did not. They complied with the the supeona, and then whined about it. Stay straight with the US, and look like victim to the muslim world.

You can not subpeona official government documents without prior authorization and acceptance from the foriegn government. Papers, people, embassy and even the staff have various levels of diplomatic immunity. Why do you think they call taking government documents out a mission/embassy espionage?

Everything within an embassy is immune including the people. That is why embassies are stormed, and that is why the CIA/KGB/ISI etc have to bug and sneak into missions to get papers etc. If it was as easy as getting a writ from a judge, you would have it happening all the time.