[fasting] Ashoura

[inuit]

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

well actually speaking, with all due respect to the courage and determination of imam hussain (ra), he cud not really turn down the government in force and the system against which he was fighting did remain in place....

so how do u attribute "survival of islam" to imam hussain (ra)????
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You simply get answer from some of these kinds of posts @ Does God Have Enemies Thread. check it out please

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Originally posted by armughal at Does God Have Enemies. : *
**Quran 2:98*
Who is an **enemy to Allah*, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael! Then, lo! Allah (Himself) is an enemy to the disbelievers. *

Quran 8:60
Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay **the enemy of Allah* and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. *

Quran 9:114
The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was **an enemy to Allah* he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, long-suffering. *

Quran 20:39
Saying: Throw him into the ark, and throw it into the river, then the river shall throw it on to the bank, and there **an enemy to Me (i.e. Allah)* and an enemy to him shall take him. And I endued thee with love from Me that thou mightest be trained according to My will, *

Quran 60:1
O ye who believe! Choose not **My enemy* and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. *

*so now look up the verses posted above and study the context wherein they lie, so u can get a better understanding.... *
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[inuit]

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Originally posted by Lajawab:

The Holy Prophet fasted on the 10th of Moharram, so I fast on the 10th...
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *

whether yazid's mother, mike tyson, omar shareef do something on the 10th or not does not change the fact that the prophet fasted on teh 10th.
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Lajawab! You only come with those fabricated narrations from the books whose writers collected the Aahadith from un-reliable chains. It true they had certain criteria but they never took the wila (love) of Ahle baith as their criteria. That is why they often took Aahdeeth from those people who were in the army of killers of Imam Hussain and Ahle bait (A). like Shimar bin Ziljoshan.(ln)

Lajawab! You value yourself as a true follower of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), more than Imam Hussain (A) and Ahle bait (A) who martyred in Karaba without water. No one can be greater follower of Prophet Muhamad (PBUH) if you come-up compare. He was imam Hussain (a), who struggled and protected each and every thing which Muhammad brought and transferred us the true means of Islam. How could be this possible for him not to fast. It was a great honor for him, if he would have sacrificed his everything for the sack of Allah with fast. But he was not.

Martyrdom of Imam Hussain (A) was celebrated by his enemies. They fast at that time as Shukrana considering their success against a rebellion . Then they fabricated these kinds of Aahdeeth to de-value the importance of Martyrdom of Imam Hussain. Ahle Bait (A) who left told us about the reality.

*Prove it from *Aahadith narrated by the chains of Ahle Bait (A) if the Holy Prophet (PBUH) fast on 10th Muharram or so. **

Fraudz So this is not a fact that holy prophet fast on the day of 10th Muharram it just a fabrication by his enemies.

Don’t take part in such kinds of activities which goes against Ahle Bait (A) of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Waslam!

[Faisal]

inuit..

You are very strong in your convictions as to who is right and who is wrong. Which is good.

However, in your zeal to forcefeed your views on others, you probably forgot that others may have equally strong convictions, which, on one hand may not be completely opposed to what you are saying, but are kinda dissimilar in several important aspects. Your views on Ahle-bait (razi allah anh) are one of them, and while most people here will agree that they are all nobel people with very high level of piety and knowledge, they may not put them in the same highest pedestal as you do. And these differences of views did not originate on GUPSHUP's Religion Forum, but have been present for the last 1400 years.

So, while it is good to make a strong case for what you feel is the right (and probably only way) of looking at a question, you have to keep in mind, that there are other information available which some other people deem reliable which nullifies your views. Doesn't make your views wrong, per se. Just a disagreement. :-)

Jazak Allah.

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[Ranjhan]

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The Jews had their own calendar and months. There is no logic in saying that they fasted on the 10th of Muharram - unless it could be proved that this date always coincided with a Jewish day of fast.

The brother has a point, instead of you guys beating around the bush answer his queries properly, it’s not a question of following Prophet :saw: or Hussayn :as: but rather who do we follow the Prophet :saw: through? Hussayn :as: or the Sahaabah?

[Mem_Sahib]

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Pig ignorance will live forever.
Youre like sheep, just carry on following regardless of what you are told..

So all you who fast on 10th Muharram, when on the day of qayamath you’v been grabbed by the scruff of ur necks for being told NOT to fast but carrying on fasting on this sad day. anyway… what will u say???

[Let_Uz_Chat]

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@Mem Saab

So all you who fast on 10th Muharram, when on the day of qayamath you’v been grabbed by the scruff of ur necks for being told NOT to fast but carrying on fasting on this sad day. anyway… what will u say???

cometh the hour what we will say is, the most finest of creations, our holy prophet :saw: fasted on the 10th of muharram {ashura} so we followed our nabi’s sunnat, simple as that.

[armughal]

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@Mem Saab

Pig ignorance will live forever.
Youre like sheep, just carry on following regardless of what you are told..

So all you who fast on 10th Muharram, when on the day of qayamath you’v been grabbed by the scruff of ur necks for being told NOT to fast but carrying on fasting on this sad day. anyway… what will u say???

and what shall those do who shall be asked why they had given up on the Prophet Muhammad (saw)'s sunnah of fasting in the 10th of Muharram???

what shall they reply???
we did not fast because yazeed’s army was fasting on that day (that is something one shiaa guy told me)…

and who is it who said NOT to fast on this day???
the Prophet (saw) and his companions did fast on this day…
so why shud we not…
just because a small group of ppl who call themselves muslims think they shud not fast???

[humhaipakistani]

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@armughal

just because a small group of ppl who call themselves muslims think they shud not fast???

oooh fatwas and labelling galore. Mullah saab take it easy you’ll give yourself a coronary worrying about what you don’t have to answer for.

[Mem_Sahib]

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Like I said pig ignorance will live forever

[Code_Red]

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I think it is enough