Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody, claims MQM

Be honest... how many Karachiites will come forward to testify against MQM in courts. This is how courts work right?

Since you are mentioning courts in every post as an excuse, you should also be little intellectually honest and admit that a lot of MQM killers and terrorists (and criminals all over Pakistan) have been let off the hook because their witnesses don't turn up or the prosecution gets killed.

Remember what happened in Wali Babar's case?

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody, claims MQM

Then how come Saulat Mirza was hanged? May be we should abolish all judiciary and let Rangers be the accuser, jury and the judge :k:

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody, claims MQM

Jit of 10 members including sindh police and secrets agencies reported. But next excuse can be that solat mirza was forced by jit forces to confess what he didnt do.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

Ajaz, read captain's response in the context of Jolie's post. He is saying that the reason Saulat was hanged is because a proper trial with witnesses and prosecution was conducted. So giving this odd ball argument that extra judicial killing is justified in case of mqm workers, because real trials can never happen out of terror of mqm- is a very lame argument.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

And five of the rangers are pointed out for this murder

DG Rangers suspends five officers in Aftab Ahmed case

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

VEry transparent Bilal akbar sahb ... Accepted that is pour soul was tortured but died due to heart attack.

Sikandar shah got bullet pierced into his body but died due to blood shortage...

Most probably this killing is due to anger/ personal grudge among these rangers and this guy.. rather than any investigation ...

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

He was suspect of high profile murder of KESC chief in DHA plus DHA has its own security system. There is no mention of individual witness named or unnamed as prosecution is covered. Instead Rangers had to take different suspects in custody for months, let alone the possibility of producing witness in court for street crime and murders of average people.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

Poor example. Saulat Mirza's case was left hanging in the air for 16 years due to MQM's terror, and his hanging was only possible when top brass of military and government intervened.

Most importantly. Saulat Mirza confessed his crimes and pleaded guilty, he didn't really go through the whole 'present the witness' trial. Not to mention, the family of his high profile victim was influential enough to maintain the pressure.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

You're still not getting it. You are too fixated and upset about Rangers and PSP that you are failing to realise that MQM has some serious terrorism and treason charges that maybe, maybe Farooq Sattar's right hand man was interrogated for the terrorist activities he coordinated not because Rangers wanted an unknown face and name to forcefully join the ranks of PSP.

Yes Rangers might want high profile activists to join PSP, but the genuine MQM dissidents not the hardcore party loyalists who will only work as mole and internal enemies for the new party.

Not so long ago, Mustafa Kamal was the most popular man in Karachi. He was all well and fine when he was associated with racist ethno-fascist terror group and ordering murders in the city, but now he's everyone's enemy number one as he appears to be backed by the Rangers regardless of fact he has denounced violence and racism? Height of Bughz e Maawaiya?

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Did Aftab Ahmed’s death bring custodial torture into the limelight or did a can of worms just open up in Pakistan? What puzzles me is the inquiry ordered by the Chief of Army Staff. What is there to inquire now; the fact that he was tortured? Yes, he was. Isn’t it too obvious from all the marks on his body and report of the medico-legal officer (MLO)? Will the inquiry probe into reasons why the Rangers deemed it necessary to torture him? Are there any reasons which necessitate torture in the first place?

These are questions our government should have been addressing way before this incident. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP), Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC), World Organisation against Torture (OMCT), Amnesty International and various other international human rights organisations have raised serious concerns over the use of torture in Pakistan by the law enforcement agencies during interrogation and pre-trial detention of the suspects. Yet, there are no specific laws in place to criminalise torture.
When the CIA torture report was published in 2014, Pakistan condemned the “systematic torture” of terror suspects but what about the systematic torture in Pakistan? In fact torture is so ingrained that police officers believe that slapping the suspect, pushing him or her around and chittars (beating with shoes) do not even classify as degrading or inhumane treatment. It is as if these practices are codified in the Code of Criminal Procedure (CrPC) and are an integral part of carrying out arrests, interrogations and detentions. Indeed torture is the most common tactic used to coerce confessions out of suspects and one of the leading causes behind false convictions in Pakistan.

Legally, torture is prohibited in Pakistan as per Article 14 (2) of the Constitution of Pakistan,
“No person shall be subjected to torture for the purpose of extracting evidence”.
Pakistan has also ratified Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT). The Convention explains:
“The term ‘torture’ means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.”
Article 2 of the Convention requires each State Party to,
“Take effective legislative, administrative, judicial or other measures to prevent acts of torture in any territory under its jurisdiction.”
However, even after six years since ratification, Pakistan has not yet enacted legislation necessary to implement the Convention. The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has been advocating anti-torture legislation since 2009. In January 2015, the Senate Standing Committee on Interior and Narcotics unanimously adopted a draft anti-torture bill, but it is pending in the National Assembly.
Sadly, this is true at a time when there are debates around the world regarding such issues and decisions by international courts and tribunals for example, distinction between degrading and inhumane treatment and torture, if forceful medical intervention during detention can be classified as torture; whether torture can be justified in the “ticking-bomb” scenario etc. keep making the headlines.
Torture is prohibited under all circumstances.
The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) assesses the severity and intensity of the suffering inflicted under torture by taking into account factors such as the victim’s sex, age, state of health as well as the duration, physical and mental effects, and the manner and method of the execution of torture. In case of an injury during detention as a result of physical force, the authorities are under an obligation to show that the force “was necessitated by the detainee’s own conduct and that only such force as was absolutely necessary was used”, (Ribitsch v Austria, ECHR). In fact, the ECHR has even ruled that certain conditions of detention can also amount to inhuman or degrading treatment for example, absence of ventilation and sleeping facilities and overcrowding, (Dougoz v Greece; Peers v Greece, ECHR).
A lack of similar debate and absence of legislation and policies in Pakistan therefore remains a worrying notion. There might be many reasons behind this. Incompetency of legislators, unwillingness of the executive or merely the red tape involved, it is anyone’s guess.
However, what is not just a guess but the cold hard truth is that precisely due to these reasons torture is an institutionalised practice in Pakistan. There are no safeguards and procedural guarantees against torture. Pakistan’s criminal justice system is like a vicious cycle. Poor criminal investigation leads to reliance on confessions which are usually coerced by use of torture, to get convictions, many of which are therefore false convictions and hence the real perpetrator gets away and eventually the crime rate is not controlled.
The only way forward therefore is that torture should be defined and criminalised by national legislation as soon as possible. Moreover the right to rehabilitation as per Article 14 of CAT must be implemented, which directs each State Party to,
“Ensure in its legal system that the victim of an act of torture obtains redress and has an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation, including the means for as full rehabilitation as possible. In the event of the death of the victim as a result of an act of torture, his dependents shall be entitled to compensation.”
Also, forensic staff should also be trained as per the guidelines of Istanbul Protocol which is a manual on the effective investigation and documentation of torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Only these measures can increase the credibility of interrogation in Pakistan and in turn lead to reduced crime rates and most importantly protect the rights of the citizens especially against the use of arbitrary power, extra judicial killings and punishments, and ultimately strengthen the rule of law.

Pakistan?s grim tales of custodial torture and coerced confessions ? The Express Tribune Blog

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

What rubbish article.

Newsflash: Torture is part of every police interrogation in Pakistan. Don't tell me MQM supporters weren't aware of this fact. I've never heard MQM supporters complaining why police tortures murder suspects or robbers during interrogation.

So the whole bloody outrage that how dare Rangers lay finger on MQM target killer is quite pathetic and lame.

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Killing is also a part of some styles
if you know James Bond 007 James Bond - Licence to Kill - Video DailymotionHere everyone is James Bond
Must recall your memory
https://tune.pk/video/2668538/karachi-rangers-killed-sarfraz-shah-pakistani-innocent-boy

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

Are you two justifying the killing of that guy in ranger's custody? I might be totally wrong here, but that is the sense I am getting

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody, claims MQM

I think I already told you I am not justifying his death in custody but I am seeing a propaganda machine of MQM on social media, painting Rangers as causing wide spread abuses and being portrayed as occupying Punjabis. The truth is Rangers are there bcoz the political mafia have run the city as mafia clan. Police have been unable to do anything. More than 100 police officer were killed in Karachi by target killing. It's the likes of MQM that have brought them into the city. When MQM decided to take arms as means of taking political power then this was inevitable.

Secondly, torture killings are norm in the country sadly, it's NOT a Rangers vs muhajirs thing.

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How should I know that he cares? Look at his posts from the first page, he has been posting articles claiming that he was killed for being muhajir and that Rangers are from other province hating "them". He claims it to be an ethnic clash without acknowledging what mess political mafia has created.

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And you could ignore the ethnic angle that mahool is giving, and just condemn the act of extra judicial killing.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

Why should I ignore it when that's the favorite ploy of a political mafia. Everything has to be put in perspective.

Re: Farooq Sattar’s coordinator died in Rangers’ custody

And they might be thinking that you are painting him an innocent bystander while he was an active member of an organization that has blood of hundreds of people on its hands.

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I would be more than happy if they arrest Altaf Hussain tomorrow, but I will be really pissed if they kill him in the torture cell instead of taking him to the court. It's not only a criminal's right to go to the court, but his victims' rights too, too see the justice served.

But our mentality is not justice based, it's hatred based. And that is one of the major issue we face.

What is most surprising is that ranger chief and COAS think that the incident had no justification and ordered inquiry, but our patriots here who hate people based on their ethnic background, think that the act is justified

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Because we live there, knows about them and see with our eyes. 8 grader from other province is eligible to apply in Rangers. There is no doubt these uneducated have grudges against Karachites.

Rangers has no right to judge arrested person. If you hold such thoughts and support them then here is no difference between butcher of Rangers and you.