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"The role of science is only to observe and describe the patterns that Allah places in His creation. If scientific observation shows a pattern in the evolution of species over time that can be described as natural selection, this is not in itself unbelief. It is only unbelief for a person to think that this evolution took place on its own, and not as a creation of Allah. A Muslim who accepts evolution or natural selection as a valid scientific theory must know that the theory is merely an explanation of one of the many observed patterns in Allah’s creation.

As for the fossil remains of bipedal apes and the tools and artifacts associated with those remains, their existence poses no problem for Islamic teachings. There is nothing in the Qur’ân and Sunnah that either affirms or denies that upright, brainy, tool using apes ever existed or evolved from other apelike ancestors. Such animals may very well have existed on Earth before Adam’s arrival upon it. All we can draw from the Qur’ân and Sunnah is that even if those animals once existed, they were not the forefathers of Adam (peace be upon him).

And Allah knows best."
Excellent article Sayah thank you... Now why are the Islamist having a hue and cry when none of evolutions theories directly contradict Islam...
Why is it not possible that among the proto-human ancestors, Adam and Eve were the first evolved modern humans? As long as they were made so by Allah, there in no problem with that?

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i thought that although evolution does have a few missing links here and there, for a large part most scientists DO agree it is not just theory anymore.
we observe it everyday, everywhere....in its simplest states... from plants that grow in selected areas to skin colors adapted to certain climates...

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^ I agree, It just makes sense and it fits in with the reality of the world around us.. Its all about CHANGE!

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It's also about thinking outside of the box. The box in this case being the **literal **word from scripture as if everything in this complicated world can be explained in one book. Windows may be able to put out a book called "Windows for Dummies" but it is impossible to have "Earth, Science, Life, Death and Beyond for Dummies". That book would take up more volumes than gupshup has bandwith.

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Evolution has now become a comical theory so full of holes that scientists are now scrambling to find new theories to explain the begining of humankind. They harp on about the missing link that they went to the stage of forgery and placing bones to proove there idea only for them to be found out!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3264143.stm

Its laughable that people still trying to defend this we all evolved from monkey magic theory

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The modern man has been around 120,000 years. The holes arise when religious texts are unable to exlpain why they weren't revealed until scores of millenia later.

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Actually Islamic beliefs relate to smaller booklets that were given to many amibyas throughout time.

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Were humans not evolved enough to receive the full message before just 1400 years ago?

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Evolution an ancient theory already in the dustbin oh well!

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LOL.. Evolution is make believe, as opposed to a being that lives in the sky, and is everywhere at the same time, he can make dead people come back to life, part entire oceans, and created an entire universe in his spare time... No science fiction here!

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In the dustbin only to those who are blinded to science by blind faith.

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And into the dustbin the guy who doesn't know his science but walks around pretending he does.

Far be it from me to disagree with you so vehemently, Seminole, since I think you usually make some sense in all your anger towards muslims, but evolution is a theory. Its not a fact. Anyone who claims it to be a scientific fact does not know science.

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But mutations are micro-level aswell, they changes in our gentic make up... , mispairing etc. But these mutation effect production of proteins, which effects the make up of cells etc, which contitute the make up of the Human on the Macro level. So what happens at the micro level will also effect the macro level.

There is some evidence to this domino effect from the micro level to the macro level. But not enough to establish the origins of human speciation originating from a monkey-like ancestor. That's why the idea is just at a theory level right now. It will become a much stronger theory once we get the Missing Link.

You can go ahead and do a PhD on it and live a thankless life as well if this subject truly motivates you. Until then, wait until some other scientist finds the evidence you're hoping for.

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Yaar, with all due respect, there isnt just some evidence, its fact. Our DNA is made up of bases which code for certain proteins which are the building blocks of life. A mutation in these bases, can result in physical manifestation of these mutations.. What else do you think Down syndrome is, what do you thin Hemophilia is? Do you know that Queen Victoria had mutation for hemophila that she passed on to the rest of the European royal families?
Its true that not all mutations have apparent phenotypes, some are harmless, others are dormant in some generations such as the case with X linked recessive disorders...
I agree that its theoretical, but its gone beyond the point where we can simply ignore it as just another throry... Evidence is piling up.
But, still I dont see whats wroing with believing that we and the primates and great apes descended froma single ancestor... What makes us so special that we should try to distinguish ourselves from the rest of the anumal kingdom?
And as that article pointed out, Evolution isnt necessarilly against Islamic belief, so why the reluctance to accept it?
And im not trying to do a Phd, my only question to you is why do we insist on refuting Evolution? What is the harm in atleast admiting that it makes a lot of sense? Why shouldnt we as the article does try to integrate science into the faith? Why this constant aversion to anything that poses an apparent threat to religous sentiment? SHouldnt we see this as a challenge instead of an obstacle that should be beaten to death?

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Let me ask you this, if it looks like a duck, sounds like duck, and walks like a duck… What else could it be?

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Anger toward Muslims? That mantra is getting old. Questioning dogmatic practices hardly equates to anger. It's not anger, its exasperation toward closed mindedness. I have the same sentiments toward any fundamentalist belief, including cosed minded Christians. But they aren't near as much fun to debate. I get my fill of that watching Bill O'Reilly.

Since this is the religion forum, it is quite rich that anyone would question a theory that is much closer to being 99.99% fact than organized religion will ever be. Unfortunately the missing link between practicing religion the way it is forced upon the masses and the spiritual truth seems to be a far more distant possibility than finding the missing link in human evolution.

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Seminole bro, you are so on the ball its not even funny.. Way to be man!
Here is Bill Hicks on Creationism, it explicit but really funny and oh so appropriate:)http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1131793055/Bill_Hicks_on_creationism_

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