Evolution?

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Re: Evolution?

@PyariCgudia

Viruses fall under the category of MICRO-evolution, which is a fact. Like I said, the theory works great for species with high fecundity and low lifespan, etc. Not for species with low offspring number and long lifespans.

Adaptation to the environment is just one aspect of the evolution theory. Just because adaptation is a fact, does not mean macro-evolution IS.

Sharing genetic code is an INDICATION that MAYBE evolution might have been at work. However, it doesn’t indicate direction of evolution. So perhaps, humans came first, and some monkey groups are an offshoot of the human lineage? Also, the problem of convergent evolution also comes in. Do we have similar genetic codes because we had a common ancestor, or because we have similar environments and require similar adaptations to these environments? Or perhaps did God create chimpanzees first, as the Greatest Biotech Company, and use them to perfect his Human model version 2.3 (that was my attempt at humor)? Or did evolution actually happen as Darwin described, and God was the one who created evolution? etc etc.
As for the dog… Its an example of evolution in action. It may still be a dog, but for a new species to form take many more years… For this dog to be a comletely new species, to the point where it can no longer breed with other dogs will take far o]longer and will require far more evolution.

Whales having more in common with Mammals: Again, the theory at work is evolution. Yes. However, we can’t know for certain, because we just don’t have enough fossils to give a continuous record. Fossil research is, for a great part, guesswork. Its possible there was some convergent evolution involved. Convergent evolution is probably one of the biggest problems that the evolution theory faces, IMHO.

Creatures that we know in human history to have evolved, in terms of SPECIATION, are limited to MICRO-evolution experiments.

Remember, there is the idea of evolution, and then there is another idea of speciation. Human evolution doesn’t just say we adapt to our environment. It also talks about our speciation. That evolution LEADS to speciation. On a macro-scale, we just don’t for certain that this is what happened. That’s why its not a law. In fact, most scientific ideas remain at theories, and almost never become “Laws”. So I don’t see why proponents of evolution get their panties in a twist so often. Its not factual. Its a theory. But some people chose to believe the theory to the point that they believe its a fact. That is the perogative of the believer. This will never ever change the scientific fact that evolution still remains a theory, and will remain so for human evolution theory at least until the “missing link” is found.

As for your dog, the newly evolved dog you describe, whether naturally or unnaturally, is still a DOG. Just because you see evolution at work there, again, does not mean that evolution caused human speciation the way it is purported to have caused it. Like I said. Monkeys could have come AFTER human beings. We just need more fossils and the Missing Link to put things together.

Fikar not. Many a PhD are busting their chops and living thankless lives to prove your belief to be true so that you can come onto this GS board, revive this thread, and do a cyber-victory dance.

Yaar ok..
But mutations are micro-level aswell, they changes in our gentic make up… , mispairing etc. But these mutation effect production of proteins, which effects the make up of cells etc, which contitute the make up of the Human on the Macro level. So what happens at the micro level will also effect the macro level.

Sharing genetic makeup with other species is not a defintie agreed, but then the a 98 percent match between two different species is very unlikely even if the two species were exposed to the same environment; there are species whith similar adapations with completely different genetic codes for those phenotypes. if your assesment were correct, then there would be no way to tell the difference between a pair of species, one being from say Sahara, the other from the American desert. Both species have similar environment and similar adaptation but they stil dont share the same genes. Then there is also the fact that we can literally follow a map that dictates our lineage. For example, We sHare a small amount of DNA with all species, even more with mammals, even more with members of our family, such as the monkeys, we share even more with the great apes… This all point in the direction of evolution.. Meaning we started out as one speciea which then diverged into many and those that are the most recent divergence have the most in comman with us. This order tells indicates the order aswell, in terms of what creatures evolved first and which second.
And creatures that evolve within human history are an example of Macro level evolution.
Speciation, is the “The development of one or more species from an existing species.” This occurs because of natural selection…
Convergent evolution can be a difficult hurdle agreed, but it also makes some sense and isnt necesarilly an impediment to the evolution theory. It simply states that a certain phenotype is coded for in two taxonomically diffferent species. This doesnt mean they share the same gene to code for that gene… I will give you this one..
The human lineage is VERY complex, adimitadly.I dont think there is a missing link… Many dont believe we are decended of Neanderthals infact but an earlier species that diverged into many others. Sme with other species.
So no, evolution isnt a fact but a theory, but then most things in science are a theory like you said.. But if we are willing to ignore Evolution simply because it simply a throery why must we blindly follow religion which offers absolutely no proof at all?
Phd’s may jump around trying to prove things, but religious people simply refuse logic… Why should anyone bury their head in the ground when science poses a challenege? Evolution may be a throry but its a exremely viable theory, which contradicts in many ways the beliefs of religion, but istead of taking on the challeneg, religous people simply point out that its not a fact and live securely that way…
GOD FORBID ITS HSOULD EVER BECOME ANYTHING OTHER THEN A THEORY!