evolution and homosexuality!

Re: evolution and homosexuality!

you all with your genes and scientific reseraches. Pakifairy, I have given you the facts and give them to you again! If you go to deep in scientific reseraches what people are doing here (we don't even have an answer yet) you will gain nothing. Rationality will be out of reach. Every new born is innocent, a muslim and free of Sin. The environment he grows up makes him to that what he becomes. Someone raising up only with males will become gay, someone raising up with females will become lesbian.

I give you an example. I know a barber, he raised up with his mother and his 3 sisters. He talks like a female, he walks like a female, he uses makeup like females and talks like a female.

The evironment hast a big impact on us, but we blame it on the nature or on the will of God.

Diwana,

one simple question!

Would you like it when you have 2 fathers and when one day you find out who is your real mother? When I marry a girl, does it mean I can go to a man and can have sex with him? Why sleeping with man if you are having sex with the opposite partner anyway? Why wanting kids and why destructing their future when you wanna have sex with a man, but need a woman for a kid? Here it's all about to be used and misused! If they want to sleep with man than they should have no right to have kids.

As long as gays and lesbians cannot give birth to a kid I won't accept Homosexuality. It is a disease. This will be one if the reason why women will outnumber men in a couple of years. This is what our Rasool (saw) predicted. I accept them as human beings, but not accept their deeds and their earthly necessity!

well these days ....we have strange theories...

everything is in your DNA...Killers are born to kill ( Its in their genes)
Lieing is genetic too
Stealing is also to do with your brain reflexes...its involuntarily, Gays are meant to be gays...............

Conclusion " No Morality..No codes of conduct........we are just made like that and not culpable/accountable for our deeds. easy way out of all sins"

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Scientists have only Theories. And this is why I was saying that the majority has become Atheist. Scientist have no proof that God does NOT exist, they only have theories. Theories, Theories, Theories, what are Theories?

bro theories are not worth less
"theory of gravitation" is also a** theory** but if you junp from minar e pakistan it will work. similarly evolution is a theory. it has tons of proof and examples. mocro evolution is accepted by all the scientist and religious people. only problem arises when scientists talk about the macro evolution which has some riddles...

Re: evolution and homosexuality!

i think homosexuals have made homosexuality heritable.
i wonder why dont homosexuals exists in pakistan?
is it only heritable in European countries?

Oh believe me they do!

Peace NeSCio

I have not negated any genetic basis to homosexuality. I did say there is a factor that plays a part in that, it is still but a tendency one that needs to be curbed such as murderous tendencies.

Even murderers have been suggested to share a genetic/brain make-up common factor which gives them an increased tendency to do so. It does not give them an excuse to take up murdering as a profession.

On a slightly off note I notice that the "intelligent" adverts that feature in the GS margin are showing gay adverts when we come on this thread ... LOL

If being gay is based solely on your conditioning, then all children with gay parents should be gay, right?

You do realize that belief in God is also a theory.

However, there is no thesis as God cannot be tested. :)

Allow me to disagree politely with your rationale of responsibility, I am not assuming that we are doing things based on our genetic inclination, nor I am professing impunity for the immoral deeds of anyone with this kind of genetic inclination, it is always “will” and intention of an individual that can and shall override any chemical, genetic or biological inclination for a bad deed. I have complete faith that Allah is just, with a genetic inclination comes a congenital resistance, a powerful conscience and a strong will to override it. Just like a blind have stronger sense to feel than one with normal sight.

It is always easy to refute an abstract thought, not because an abstract is hard to get a scientific approval (not withstanding the fact that science approves or disapproves a thing owing to its status of development at that particular time when an assumption is put to test under the microscope of scientific research) but because an abstract appeals to us only if it is conceivable to us and does also resonate with our belief and bias, with that said let’s try to find some legs to my arguments.

Science is knowledge of matter, anything that is non matter, or metaphysical is beyond the scope of scientific testing. How do we acquire scientific approval for non matter or things metaphysical in nature, pain, for instance, be it physical or psychological is a non matter yet known to us either by our experience or by its manifestation in the victim. We have developed a gigantic pharmaceutical industry around pain management yet can not see a particle of “pain” itself under the microscope of science.

There have been researches that prove smoking to be inheritable, so are the researches about alcohol usage, chances for the offspring of a smoker or an imbiber to follow the suit of their parents or grand parents are much greater but genetic inclination does not dictate the process of conscious decision making., thus question of salvation from bad deeds should not arise.

The subject of Halal and Haram is much deeper than it appears to most of us, nutritious value of a stolen chicken or purchased with Haram money may appear same to the nutritious value of Halal chicken or it may be different yet foreign to prevalent scientific standards thus oblivious to our eyes but I am unable to conceive the ideology of considering spiritual value of Haram food same as Halal food. If nicotine can have long lasting effects not only on the one who is involved in its consumption but to his/her future generation /s, haram food should have far more devastating effects.

Happiness, pain, pleasure, joy ,violence and all other such phenomenon do not appear physically yet initiated by hormonal activity and manifested by our behavior , hormonal activity is two way, either an activity is started by the hormones or hormones can be created by starting an activity. Now think of the mechanisms of creations of hormones and involvement of human genes in it?

Have you heard, and I am sure must have heard, about psychosomatic patients, do you agree that we can really induce disease into our system just be thinking and believing that we have that disease. If genetic mutation can be initiated by brain activity then we may not plainly deny its mutation by involving into illegitimate or unnatural relationship or for that matter Haram food. If a mother with cancer can transfer it to her baby, can she not transfer a hormone for the excitement that is involved with illegitimate relationship, if she can transfer nicotine into the system of her off spring can she not transfer the habit of stealing as well?

There was no need to come with the examples of son of Hazrat-e-Noah or father of Hazart-e-Ibrahim, they were indeed among the “Ayah” of Allah, we can find many examples around us and like I said before it is always will that overrides every thing.

Peace MatineeSiren

Not right, because you have assumed that gay parents will condition their children to be gay. You will need to modify your statement to all people taught to be gay should be gay.

Belief is not a theory ... A theory is as much a belief as one puts into it. Like evolution. Even laws are beliefs. A law is something substantiated and a theory is something that is not, or works in a model setting.

As for testing if God exists, scripture asks us to look to creation. The clues for that state of realisation comes from within not from something objective. As belief in God is a belief it requires subjective evidence to be accepted. Those who believe in God do so because they have received that evidence - in common terms we call it guidance or enlightenment.

**Maybe for you, but not for me :) You cannot see God, you have to feel God. Remember the Story when Moses wanted to see God. Anyway, these are not stories which make me believe that there is God. It's different, how am I supposed to tell? This is something one must feel and see.

God says, call my Name and I come and answer. For that you don't necessarily need to pray. You just have to trust and believe. I think Sura-Al Fatiha is the best Verse to recite to gain God's nearness.

**Secular,

Maybe I sounded like that, but I did not mean that Theories are worthless. Theories are Theories. They are not facts. "I believe in what I see" if you let me quote Spartacus.

You have a free mind and can think what you think. I'am absolutely sure that Homosexuality is not heritable. Don't tell me that it's heritable in animals. We are not animals. We are humans. The Best of Creation, it may sound hurting but I don't think that God's plan was to place Gays and Lesbians in this World and then call it "Best of Creation".

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numb- your complete hate for a group of people saddens me.

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where do you see hate? :rolleyes:

what did you smoke? give me that, too.

I don’t hate 'em as human beings. I hate their deeds. If being Gay And Lesbian is so great why don’t we all become Gays And Lesbians? :rolleyes:

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what? why can't you accept that some people are gay and lesbian and some aren't. that is ridiculous statement that you just made

i am sorry to reply late to this thing, but still..
science says that the personality of a person is 50% nature and 50% nurture.

as far as facts are concerned, what kind of facts do you have to prove your assertion given below?

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It is not heritable! All human being are born innocent and as Muslims. It's the people's devilish mind which shapes them to what they become!
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remember you have made the claim. so you have to prove it.