Re: Re: Re: Re: Saudi Arabia holds first human rights forum
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*Originally posted by BabyGulabJaman: *
USA either won't let that happen. wide spread democracy in saudia won't do them any good. prevailing of human rights will bring out a lot of secrets from people who are put into jails bcos of saudi's corruption, cleverly backed by its master USA. 911 is a clear example, where most hijackers [as put my the USA] were saudia but they went after afghanistan and iraq.
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BGJ
u are mixing 2 diff things here. I agree that the relations with the monarchy have been in US interest, but I am certain that if they had good relations with any other sortt of govt they would have supported it as well.
as far as 9-11 and afghanistan goes.. teh plannign was done in afghanistan, OBL was in that country, he was exiled from KSA. Now ehether or not certain power ful saudis supported him or paid him off to leave them and their country alone is debateable, but KSA did not attack US and KSA did not give safe haven to OBL and his cohorts. Had he been in Burkia Faso and that govt refused to give him up they would have been attacked as well.
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
In light of the fact that Saudis are moving towards democracy does this mean that they recognise the fact that the version of Islam they have been preaching worldwide is now redundant?
Should members on these boards continue to support it when the guardians of the faith no longer do?
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The Saudis as 'one' group were neither the guardians, nor the custodians of Islamic faith. Otherwise, they would have been a much stronger nation. These so called reforms in Saudi Arabia have much to do with cowing out in the face of stiff criticism. If they were genuine Islamic rulers, then it wouldn’t have come down to this point. I don't think the interpretation of faith will ever change. It’s universal and will remain that way.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saudi Arabia holds first human rights forum
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
as far as 9-11 and afghanistan goes.. teh plannign was done in afghanistan, OBL was in that country, he was exiled from KSA. Now ehether or not certain power ful saudis supported him or paid him off to leave them and their country alone is debateable, but KSA did not attack US and KSA did not give safe haven to OBL and his cohorts. Had he been in Burkia Faso and that govt refused to give him up they would have been attacked as well.
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Yes but the ideology that bred the attacks on US were cultivated and propagated from Saudi Arabia. Have they denounced their own teachings or replaced them?
Whether they have or they haven't isn't really an issue for me in any case. I'm more bothered why we feel the need to defend their version of the faith when they themselves don't?
All i can say that its the step in the right direction. Doesnt matter if its an attempt to shut the western world up or to actually implement some level of democracy in the country, it will have a gradual effect on the mentality of saudi rulers.
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*Originally posted by coOoLBreeze: *
well I would say that its a big move,,,
but as a resident of this country for more than 20 years.. I thik it will take a decade for it to show some progress..
The mentality and culture here is quite peculiar. Every other person thinks that he is a prince or crown prince or next to the king..
So bringing matters to general public would take a lot of time, because many princes will think that there poweres have ben taken back and they are getting less influential...
I hope thta this country comes to a stable position soon. It seems quite stable from outsie, but all the ppl living here know the current situations..
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100 percent agree with that mentality bit. And that wont change in a day or two or in an year or two.
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*Originally posted by sholay: *
The literacy rate in Saudia Arabia is around the 78% mark.
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Oil wealth probably guarantees a high literary rate in most Gulf countries as opposed to their arab brothers in poor non-oil countries like Jordan, Yemen etc.
Question remains, have they achieved any thing with that high literary rate? How does their manufacturing industry compare with say Malaysia a country with no big oil income?
The 4 nations dont have oil. They still have high literacy rates. Heck Yemen is better than Pakistan in both male and female ratios. Pakistans official rate is like 38% for woman. Realistic estimates say its in the 20% mark.
As for industrial base, it depends on the physical geographical nature of the countries. Malaysia is extremely abundant in natural resources, from Oil, Rubber, Timber, to specific chemicals or natural resources needed in checmical productions. Saudi and the Arab countries have 2 comparative advantages. Oil and Glass.
Though they should have built alot of secondary industries up and round their oil production. I.e. petro-chemical plants and by-products of oil.
Question is does anybody see any newspaper on the face of the planet covering Kashmir? Honestly as a Pakistani hell i am even tired of the issue. Lets just attack and get it back already.
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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
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I didn't see a single story or article about Pakistan or Kashmir for that matter.
They obviously don't give a toss so the point is we shouldn't worry over-much about them either.
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Any other "Arab" newspaper publishes articles/news regarding Kashmir issue? Our "big brother" (thats what we think) has more inclination towards India, even Palestinian (Yasir Arafat) is more inclined towards India (I think). Why would they bother raising Kashmir issue. Does that mean we cut off with all of them and join India, Israel, US trio?
Put it this way when does Pakistan have news about Yemen, or even better yet any arab country unless someone dies or there is a bomb blast? I have yet to see a story in a Pakistani newspaper, saying it was a beautiful day in Kuwait City today, everybody lazed around and did jack like normal.
